And confession Purgatory?
Why do Catholics believe in Purgatory. Tell me where that is in the Bible? Pray you out of Purgatory. There is a heaven and hell alone. A sin is a sin, no matter how big or how small.
- Catholic / Can you get someone out of purgatory (hell)? How?
- What happens when we die? Is there a place like Purgatory? Go there it's like to clean our soul before heaven
- What the hell is Purgatory?
- Explain Purgatory use as a Christian Bible The King James or New King James.
- Catholics: Purgatory Question (Please Read the whole question)?
Confession is about as Scriptural as any belief never be. Remember that part where Jesus told his disciples that if someone forgave sins, the sins would be forgiven in heaven, but if the detained person's sins, it would not be forgiven? The apostles passed that authority to their successors, the priests and the hierarchy of the Catholic Church.
We believe in our Bibles purgatory because they have not sliced and dice to suit Martin Luther bias, how its Protestant Bibles have. You do not like the concept of purgatory, so First and Second Maccabees removed because they contain references to prayer and give alms to the dead. He really wanted the book of James (yes, the apostle type) removes also because it indicates that "Once saved, always saved" is a false doctrine.
And if you believe that a "sin is a sin, no matter how large or small," I'm concerned about his mental health. In case of rape and murder of a young child is the same thing in his estimation as the theft of a pack of cigarettes, then you have more problems if there is no purgatory.
Oh, and one more thing - your "Tell me where that is in the Bible (sic)?" Is a pile of dung in which Catholics are concerned. "Sola Scriptura" (Scripture of itself) is the heresy itself, and it is condemned by the Catholic Church as unbiblical.
Protestantism was born out of heresy and rebellion, so I suggest you try to clean its own doctrine of errors before trying to point the finger in Catholicism, the true Church of Christ on earth.
Purgatory is the strongest support in Maccabees, which you rejected. To argue the point of purgatory, and then, one must first agree on what exactly constitutes the books of the Bible. There are 73, as in the early church, or are 66 bibles like many have now?
And if a sin is a sin no matter how big or small, then if the lie (no matter how small!), You become rotten as well as a "potato-Catholic religion!"
It's true. there is no purgatory. That is false. It's heaven or hell depending on whether you are saved or not. If you do not believe in Christ as the Son of God who died for your sins, which certainly are not saved. But there's many mix-ups that appear with the Christian religion, or say they are Christians and have doctrines in advance, but when you dig a little further to find out many things that are round and not true.
Wrong, still do Catholics believe in Purgatory.
And we do find support for the book that Martin Luther removed books of the Bible (makes you wonder, huh?).
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"Therefore Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, which could be delivered from their sin."
2 Maccabees 12:46
Mavors is all wrong ….. obviously not read the Bible and is only repeating popular misconceptions that are common on the Bible …. Hell is there, the "trinity" is obvious, and Jesus himself claimed on several occasions and showed his divinity by rising from the dead …. which shows everything in the Bible, the trinity and hell, etc. Because if you do not increase after the killed was a liar, which proves the Bible wrong, but just as he said before the crucifixation, which rise from the dead , so that validation from anything else, he said ….
I'm not Catholic and I disagree with purgatory and the practice of "confession" to a priest.
Purgatory is an invention of man, is not mentioned in the Bible and does not exist.
The Bible says to confess your sins to each other like saying that if we see someone living in sin we should go to that person and if they do not listen to someone else to take the next time. But do not say that this person must be a priest. There is no specific person. A priest can not remove sin to absolution of a priest is just to feel good, does not mean anything. I have friends who are accountable to the mess, but I do not need some "special" kind of telling a. Only God forgives sins and bring them to the great man. I do not need a messenger. I believe that priests and the pope are part of the Catholic "God complex."
I am a Protestant. Does it say anywhere in the Bible that is wrong * to pray for the grace of God to be shed on their relatives who have died?
I am requesting.
I mean, not particularly bother me none of the Catholic practices described in the question, whether or not practiced regularly.
People are upset in any way at all.
I think we all go to the world of spirits when we die, depending on how you lived your life, you go to one of the mansions Jesus spoke.
Some are beautiful which is at the top
kingdom, and he is going to be so nice.
Are seven kingdoms, and the fund could be called hell, it will always be good and try to aim for the top.
The word purgatory is not in the Bible, but neither is the word Trinity. The word purgatory is used to explain the Scriptures, such as 1 Corinthians 3:15 which says: "But if a man's work burn, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only through fire." Other references are Matt. 5:48, Rev 21:27, Hebrews 12:14, 2 macc. 12:44. I'm not sure what your question is about the confession, but I would love to answer your question.
To know what we did not answer this question because, as a Catholic I think we all know this. I just respond to you so you know why we believe in purgatory. I do not intend to offend or persuade just defend.
To WORKHORSE … Catholics believe that the trinity is, of course, in the Bible. Trinidad is the word that never appears. That is precisely the point that some truths are evident, although not exactly the name. For this reason, we believe in purgatory. Mavors not so bad.
I am Catholic and go to the big man (God) to ask for forgiveness every day! I know my sins forgiven. The priests do not forgive our sins. Come celebrate with us to be accountable to other human beings and grant absolution by the power of the Holy Spirit. It is the act of going to confession and an examination of conscience that makes the acquittal feel so good!
There is no hell in the Bible and believes that there is no Trinity in the Bible and I believe him. Jesus' divinity is a product io the Council of Nicea, and I believe him. I think it's more Catholic than want to admit.
Where in the Bible does not say that all Christian doctrine, practice and terminology should be drawn from the Bible?
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Confession
Our sins are confessed to a priest because that is how the Bible tells us that our sins are forgiven by God. Jesus instructed the apostles with the authority and responsibility to forgive sins. When you forgive the sins that were not that make them forgive, it was Jesus.
"He who hears you hears me, and that despiseth that despiseth me, and I despiseth that despiseth that he sent me." (Luke 10:16, KJV)
The fact that this authority and responsibility is passed on to others by the apostles is not in question because it tells us
"Are you sick of? It should call the elders of the church to pray for him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person and the Lord lifted up. If he has sinned, is forgiven. " (James 5:14-15, NIV)
This is what we call the sacrament of the anointing of the sick to those who have a physical illness, but the next verse clarifies further. This verse begins with the word "therefore" what should I do to look and see what is "there": it is providing a summary of education that has just ended.
"Therefore, confess your sins to each other and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The prayer of a just man is powerful and effective. "(James 5:16, NVI)
Who are these "one another?" Nothing less than the sick person and the elders of the church (some translations use "priest" instead of the elders, the Greek is Presbytère from which the word "priest" is derived). When the spiritually sick, those who have sinned, confess their sins to a priest your sins are forgiven and you start the healing process. - Scborromeo.org
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Purgatory
The existence of purgatory, it is very evident in the Bible.
Since the gates of heaven were closed from the time of Adam and Eve, and no one came in, John 3:13, where did all the Biblical prophets and heroes go until the doors were reopened at the Crucifixion? Surely it could not have been in hell, because it is permanent and leaves no one there. Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus before the crucifixion, Matthew 17:3. Where they come from? Limbo? Sheol? Purgatory? Should have been a third place, right? If there was a third place so why not a third place now?
The word purgatory is not in the Bible as the words Holy Trinity, the Incarnation, kidnapping, etc., but the doctrine is there. The purification is necessary because, as Scripture teaches, nothing unclean will enter the presence of God in heaven (Rev. 21:27) Purgatory is third sentence. Souls in purgatory are bound for heaven.
"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the sake of the unrighteous, that could lead to God. Put to death in the flesh, was brought to life in spirit.
It also went to preach to the spirits in prison who had been disobedient to God, while waiting patiently in the days of Noah building the ark, in which a few people, eight in all, were saved through water. - 1 Peter 3: 18-20
"Make friends quickly with your accuser, while also going with him to court, so that your accuser hand to judge and the judge to the guard and be put in jail, really, I tell you, you not leave until you have paid the last penny "- Matt. 5:25-26
"But if someone's work is burned up, it will suffer a loss, the person will be saved, 8, but only through fire." - 1 Corinthians 3:15
Around 100 BC, there is a record of the Jews to pray for their dead. At the time of Jesus, and even today in Orthodox Judaism, offered prayers for the dead. Jesus said nothing against the prayer for the dead. If wrong, then surely there would be convicted.
Very strong evidence that there is a third, is in 2Maccabees 12:38-46:
"… therefore, it is a healthy and holy thought to pray for the dead, which may be loosed from sins. "
If there is only heaven or hell, why Scripture calls us to pray for the dead? If the dead are in hell, prayer is useless. If the dead are in heaven, prayer is not necessary. Therefore there must be a third place where prayers are needed.
St. Paul prayed for their dead friend Onesiphorus in 2Timoteo 1:18,
"May the Lord grant him to find mercy of the Lord on that day."
Why does Paul pray for the dead, if your friend found it to be in heaven or hell, where the prayers would not help?
The writers in the early Church we speak of prayer for the dead. Tertullian (160-240 AD) wrote: "The faithful … widow offers prayers on the anniversary of his death. "It also says," In one day each year we offer prayers for the dead. "St. Augustine's mother was dying in AD 387. She said Augustine, "All we ask is this, that whenever you remember me at the altar of the Lord." The early Christians buried their dead in the catacombs of Rome. On the walls of these underground cemeteries are prayers for the dead, for example, "Peter and Paul, pray for Victor." "In your prayers, reminds us that have gone before you." Holy and pious thought. Therefore made atonement for the dead, which could be delivered from their sin "- 2 Maccabees 12:44-45
During the first 1500 years of the Church there is no doubt about the need to pray for the dead. These prayers would help the souls in Purgatory to get to heaven faster. Martin Luther and others spoke against the prayer for the dead, and that is why the Protestants today do not pray for their deceased relatives and friends. The custom of praying for the dead is more than 2000 years. The custom of praying for the dead no less than 500 years old.
It is entirely correct to say that Christ accomplished all of our salvation for us on the cross. But that does not resolve the question of how this redemption is applied to us. Scripture reveals that it applies to us over time through, among other things, the process of sanctification through which the Christian becomes a saint. Sanctification involves suffering (Rom. 5:3-5), and purgatory is the final stage of sanctification that some of us need to undergo before entering heaven. Purgatory is the final stage of the application of Christ to us that the purification of the redemption accomplished for us by His death on the cross.
Sources:
scborromeo.org
Catholic answers.com
Catholic Treasure Chest
The Gospel According to St. Mark, Chapter 3.
It is also in the Book of Maccabees (who edited the Protestant Bible).
Confession
Some argue that the confession to a priest is not biblical. In John 20 we read of Christ appearing to the disciples on Easter Sunday. He breathed on the apostles, giving them the authority to forgive and not forgive. This means they had to hear the sins, to forgive or not forgive. Jesus said "as the Father sent me, so I send you." This means that they are the apostles to continue the mission of Christ, the essence of which is the forgiveness of sins. In 2 Corinthians, St. Paul describes apostles as ambassadors of Christ, the work of reconciliation. In the Epistle of James we read that the presbyters (priests) are called to pray for the sick and forgive their sins. Why are priests called to perform this task? Obviously, the priests have the authority that ordinary Christians do not.
It is obvious that Christ gave the Apostles the power to forgive sins.
The Sacrament of Reconciliation is one of the seven sacraments Christ gave his church. The Sacrament of Reconciliation is also known as the Sacrament of Penance or Confession. This sacrament can free us from our sins, and the burden of guilt that comes along with our sins. Through the Sacrament of Reconciliation - confession - we are back to union with God. Our sins separate and damage our relationship with our Lord, and it is through this sacrament stronger than our relationship with the Lord is repaired and reinforced. Through the Sacrament of Reconciliation can walk closer with the Lord once again, without the burden of our sins weigh us away from our relationship with God.
Some ask why Catholics confess to a priest instead of simply going directly to God. Some argue that the confession to a priest is not biblical. But that is not true.
We confess to a priest, because it is the way that Jesus instigated the sacrament. It is at its command to confess to one another. When you sin against the Father our sins also affect our Christian family. Confess sins to a priest is something that was not a universal practice and discussed in the Early Church.
Jesus himself was able to heal the sick not only physically but also spiritually disease. Christ had the power to forgive sins (see Matthew 9:1-8, Mark 2:5-12).
Spent in power to forgive sins in his name to his Apostles.
"Amen, I say unto you, which bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again, I tell you that if two of you agree on earth about anything for which to pray, was granted by my Father in heaven. " (Matthew 18:18-19)
"Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I sent him. "And when he had said this, breathed on them and told them:" Receive the Holy Spirit. Who forgives sins are forgiven, whose sins you retain are retained. " (John 20:21-23)
Jesus entrusted his Church with the power to forgive sins through this wonderful sacrament. The priest is acting in persona Christi (in the person of Christ) in the confessional, but it is our Lord who forgives our sins. The priest grants absolution (sets us free from our sins), using the power Jesus entrusted to his Church. It is through Christ, however, that our sins are forgiven.
St. Paul tells us, "And all this comes from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. Therefore, Christ's ambassadors, as though God were appealing through us. "(2 Corinthians 5: 18-20)
Does this mean that we should not talk and pray directly to God and express sorrow for our sins? Not at all! In fact, for the day to day failures is exactly what we should do. However, for the most serious offenses, for grave and mortal sins, we must repent and confess through the Sacrament of Reconciliation, because that is what Christ commands us to do.
Reconciliation (also known as confession and penance): Penance is a sacrament in which sins committed after Baptism are forgiven.
Biblical references: Matthew 9:2-8, John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:17-20, James 5:13-16;
Matthew 18:18, 1 Jn 5:16
Purgatory
First, a definition is in order: What is Purgatory?
Purgatory is not Hell, minus a few torments and degrees Fahrenheit, which is not the sky, less joy. It is not a "final third" of souls. Purgatory is where souls are cleansed of whether the effects of sin before they can see the holy face of Almighty God. Revelation 21:27 tells us that "… nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]. "
Daniel 12:2, Matthew 12:32, 1 Corinthians 3:13-15, 2 Timothy 1:16-18, Hebrews 12:14, Hebrews 12:22-23, 1 Peter 4:6 and Revelation 21:10, 27 all speak of Purgatory in their telling of the need of purification, prayer for the dead, the preaching of Christ to the dead, or how nothing unclean will see God.
prayers for the dead (Tobit 12:12, 2 Maccabees 12:39-45),
Purgatory (Wisdom 3:1-7)
intercession of dead saints (2 Maccabees 15:14),
and the intercession of angels as intermediaries (Tobit 12:12-15).
Even the Talmud speaks of Purgatory:
Saturday 33b:
"The trial of the wicked in purgatory is twelve months."
Rosh Hashanah 16b-17a:
"It has taught the school of Shammai says:" There will be three groups on the Day of Reckoning (Yom haDin):
The fair will be fully recorded and sealed at once for eternal life. The wicked will be fully registered and sentenced both to Gehinnom, as they say: "And many who sleep in the dust of the earth rise up, some to everlasting life and some to shame and eternal rejection" [Daniel 12 : 2]. Among the Gehinnom go and stand and shout, as they say: "I will bring the third part through the fire, and improve as silver is refined and tested as gold is tested. It will call on my name and I will respond to them "[Zechariah 13:9]
Rabbi Shammai (50 BC - 30 AD), one of the two great masters of early Rabbinic Judaism, is also registered as Zechariah 13:9 construed as a reference to a state of purification after death. Isaiah 66:15-16 and Malachi 3:2-3 is interpreted in rabbinic literature as referring to the purgatorial process, and the same theme is reflected in Wisdom 3:1-7 and II Maccabees 12:43-45 both contained in the Deuterocanonical
That there are temporal effects of sin is evident if one considers that even those who have been baptized, who have a deep and intimate relationshp with Jesus who is "elected" or "saved / is saved," or what be subject to pain, work, death and disease.
The best way to understand the idea that it is already forgiven, but still have to be cleaned from the effects of sin is by analogy: imagine that you are the father of a 7-year-old boy who steals a chocolate bar from local supermarkets. The child is repentant, in tears, crying apology. You, being the good parent (as God is our Father!) Forgive that children love him and show him and his mercy. But being a good parent means that you are also fair and children are expected to return to the store. Purgatory is God's way of forgiving us, loving us, shows us his mercy and justice - and what makes us "back shop." Can you imagine what would happen to the son of a father who never that children are expected to "return the store" (especially when that same parent believed also that there was nothing that children can do to become "disinherited," as in "once saved, always saved" ; doctrine)?
Purgatory is His way of ensuring that Revelation 21:27 is true that there is nothing dirty and see the sky. It is only through the sacrifice of Christ that shows us this mercy! It is Christ and Christ alone Who allows us access to the Father.
do not believe that anymore.