Catholics and Protestants, Did you know that Martin Luther's Deep devotion to the Virgin Mary?
Despite the radicalism of early Protestantism into many old Catholic "characteristic", Martin Luther was rather conservative in some of his doctrinal views, such as baptismal regeneration, the Eucharist, and in particular, the Blessed Virgin Mary .
Luther was very dedicated to the Virgin, and retained most of the traditional Marian doctrines that were held yesterday and today by the Catholic Church. This is often not well documented in the biographies of Luther and the Protestant history of the 16th century,
Along with almost all important Protestant Founders (eg, Calvin, Zwingli, Cranmer), Luther accepted the traditional belief in the perpetual virginity of Mary (Jesus had no brothers in blood), and its status as the Theotokos (Mother of God) .
Probably the most surprising Marian belief of Luther is his acceptance of the Immaculate Conception of Mary, who was not even definitively proclaimed as dogma by the Catholic Church until 1854.
Luther regarding the idea and devotional practice of the veneration of Mary and expressed this on innumerable occasions with the most effusive language.
Their attitude towards the use of the "Hail Mary" prayer (the first portion of the Rosary) is illustrative. In some controversial statements that seem to condemn its recitation altogether, but is only the prohibition of the use of a sincere devotion to Mary, apart from faith, as the following two citations make clear:
Whoever possesses a good (firm) faith, says the Hail Mary without danger! Which is weak in faith can utter no Hail Mary without danger to his salvation. (Sermon, March 11 of 1523).
Our prayer should include the Mother of God .. . What the Hail Mary is said that everyone should give glory to God, using these words: "Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus Christ. Amen! "You see that these words are not concerned with prayer but simply to give praise and honor .. . We can use the Hail Mary as a meditation in which recite what grace God has given. Secondly, there is the desire that everyone can understand and respect your … He who has no faith, it is recommended to refrain from saying the Hail Mary. (Personal Prayer Book, 1522).
His view of Mary as Mother of God and the Virgin Mary as ever-are identical to those of Catholicism, and their views on the Immaculate Conception of Mary "the Spiritual Mother" and the use of "Ave Maria" substantially the same. Does not deny the Assumption (which certainly does not hesitate to get in against the doctrines opposed rail), and dedicated to Mary in a very touching fashion which, as far as that goes, is not at all contrary to Catholic piety.
Therefore, one can say without fear of contradiction that Luther's Mariology is very similar to the Catholic Church today, far more than the theology of Lutheranism today. To the extent that this is all by Protestants, are usually explained as a "relic" of the early late medieval Augustinian Catholic Luther views ( "everyone has their blind spots," etc.). But this is not sufficient for those who are serious about consultation Luther to reach the true "Reformation heritage" and the roots of an authentic Protestantism. For if Luther's views here can be so easy to rationalize away, how can the Protestant know whether it is a relationship of trust with its other innovative doctrines such as extrinsic justification by faith alone and Sola Scriptura?
Apparently, once again, the truth about important historical figures is almost always more complex than the "legends" and overly simplistic generalizations which men often to remove the centuries to create and accept uncritically.
- Most Protestants do know that the first Protestant was a Catholic priest with a strong devotion to Mary?
- What most Protestants know that the first Protestant was a Catholic priest with a strong devotion to Mary?
- Protestants, you say that Catholics Worship Mary.
- What Catholics is their devotion Favorite? Virgin, St. Please Tell Me, and the miracles that he or she has Done F
- Protestants were the founders of Protestantism incorrect About Mary?
There are many things about Martin Luther's Protestant half that does not know and probably will not admit that, even if they did - their love of the Blessed Virgin and his fierce anti-Semitism among them. What makes the Protestant fear / hate / mistrust of the Blessed Virgin even more ironic, given how deeply dedicated to the founder of Protestantism was with her.
Ah well, what can I say - I stopped trying to understand how Protestants think and reason long ago.
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Speaking of our Protestant brothers and sisters in Christ, are by their absence. Gee, I wonder if that's because it might have to rethink its approach to the Blessed Virgin in the light of the founder of the devotion to her?
No - that can not be it. Could you?
Yes, I heard about this and, indeed, a number of Protestant churches are reassessing their position on Mary. Pope John Paul II of the "Redemptoris Mater - Mother of the Redeemer" is almost entirely based on the role of Mary in Scripture. It is certainly worthwhile to present to the Protestants who have a problem with Mary.
Luther never intended to start a new religion. He simply wanted to reform the Church, and stop any corrupt practices. They went to his followers that most of the complete disintegration away. Unfortunately, the Christian faith ever met.
I do not think that many researchers have even Martin Luther.
Just listen to what others say and believe and pass it on.
Very good and it is hoped that this research will help answer questions related to the Virgin.
It is not surprising that most responses are fellow Catholics?
I am waiting to see what other responses, such as Chris rate;)
Fully aware of it, did you know that Martin Luther told his mother to remain Catholic, when on his deathbed because he knew he was wrong about the reform?
I am surprised that no one Protestant answer to this question, I must admit I was not aware of his devotion, but I am not surprised to be honest. Thanks for that information was very enlightening!.
Yes, we know that Luther did not want to start another religion or religious sect. He wanted to reform the Catholic Church. But he was at the forefront of a drive that could not control.
Yes, I know … but it was not until a Catholic. As a Protestant I had no idea.
very interesting that some people have nothing to say on this subject. Oh well, just as well since he / she knows the truth now! what you say?
Well, I learn more and more every day Y'all!
If you already knew that. Why they moved away from the Blessed Mother, I do not have a clue.
Exactly, and how strange it seems that the protesters never seem Luther haul the coal to the conclusion of the Marian devotion that Catholics still hold today.
Then again Protestantism has so far in the line outside Luther `s initial premise that if he was resurrected today even recognize their own schismatic movement, and that only continues to grow at an unstoppable spirit of criticism.
God bless.
I have to admit, I was looking at the issue like Anon said, "And?" Most of us are very aware of this and have our own feelings about this. Fortunately, Luther and the Lutherans do not see this as modern literature, but the election.
Me, while I respect the position of Luther on the perpetual virginity of Mary and born without sin, simply can not buy it. Maria do hold in the highest, as she was the mother of our Lord. To be chosen for that function does not make it very special for us. And while this is my belief, there are many who believe the same. And there are probably many who believe in the perpetual virginity and sinlessness.
As for the rosary that someone brought up, I have some Greek worry beads. Finger when I'm anxious and while holding at times to pray. It is a tool of concentration and attention to me.
Jesus' unique role as the only God-man does not mean that nobody else gets to pray for us. This is clear if read 1 Tim. 2:1-4, where Paul says that we must all pray for everyone. Thus, in the same passage Paul describes Jesus as the only Mediator, which also said that we should all pray and intercede for others. This is what Mary and other saints in heaven do we, like the people here on earth to do.
When you ask another Christian here on earth to pray for you, you are asking for a holy land to intercede on their behalf. When you ask Mary to pray for you, are doing exactly the same thing, only it is a holy place in heaven. Protestants seek earthly saints to pray for them, Catholics simply extend to all of God's family and ask heavenly brothers and sisters in Christ to pray for us and our brothers and sisters here on earth.
Your question and your deeds, at least show that they have Catholic Mary is not idol worship. If they do not understand, really understand who he is, then it is. But it should at least stop Mary, Jesus, and we Catholics in peace.
Martin Luther also believed in the presence of Christ in the Eucharist and the sacrament of Confession. It gives much more credit is due. All he did was plant the seed. Not much, except to translate the Bible into German, Sola Scriptura and Sola Feda. Apart from that, it was a good Catholic. I did not want to leave the Church, was planning to change it from within, but to nationalism and other circumstances, had to leave the Church.
The Protestant Reformation http://www.mariology.com/sections/reform MARIA DE …
We might ask why the claims of reformers Mariano did not survive in the teaching of his heirs - including fundamentalists. This break with the past did not come across any new discovery or revelation. The reformers themselves (see above) even had a mild positive Marian doctrine - although they did reject Marian mediation because of its rejection of any human mediation. Furthermore, although there were some excesses in popular piety Marian, Marian doctrine as taught in the times before the Reformation drew its inspiration from the testimony of Scripture and Christology in the basa. The real reason for the break with the past should be attributed to the iconoclast of passionate followers of the Reformation and the consequences of certain principles of the Reformation. Even more influential in breaking with Mary was the influence of the Enlightenment, in essence, was questioned or denied the mysteries of faith.
Unfortunately Mariano preachings and teachings of the reformers have been "covered" by their most zealous followers - with adverse consequences theological and practical. This "cloaking" can be detected even chosen by God: Mary in Evangelical Perspective, a critique of Evangelical Mariology. One of the contributors accepts that "The most notable modern Protestant reformers is the almost universal acceptance of the continued virginity of Mary, and his general reluctance to declare Mary a sinner." Then asked if it is "a favorable ruling" that the Marian teachings of the reformers of being "sent to Protestant churches"! 17
What is interpreted as "Providence" by one critic Marian can legitimately be interpreted as a force for a very different type of a Christian who has acknowledged the role of Mary in God's plan.
Here are some more quotations from Luther and Calvin, Wesley etc. It seems that I also supported the truth of Our Lady of Perpetual viginity
Martin Luther, founder of the Reform, speaks of Mary
In his sermon of August 15 of 1522, the last time that Martin Luther preached on the Feast of the Assumption, said:
There is no doubt that the Virgin Mary in the sky. We do not know how it happened. And since the Holy Spirit has told us nothing, we can make it any article of faith. . . Is this enough to know that she lives in Christ.
The veneration of Mary is inscribed in the depths of the human heart. (Sermon, September 1 1522).
[It is] the highest woman and the noblest gem in Christianity after Christ. . . She is nobility, wisdom, and holiness personified. We can never honor her enough. Still honor and praise to be given to it in such a way as to injure neither Christ nor the Bible. (Sermon, Christmas, 1531).
No woman is like you. You are more than Eve or Sarah, blessed above all nobility, wisdom and holiness. (Sermon, Feast of the Visitation, 1537).
One should honor Mary as she wants and how she put it in the Magnificat. He praised God for his deeds. How can we praise her? The true honor of Mary is the honor of God, the praise of God's grace. . . Mary is not for the sake of itself, but for the sake of Christ. . . Mary does not want to get to her, but through her to God. (Explanation of the Magnificat, 1521).
Luther gives to the Blessed Virgin of the exalted position of "Spiritual Mother" for Christians:
Is overabundant comfort and goodness of God, that man is able to exult in such a treasure. Mary is his true mother .. (Sermon, Christmas, 1522)
Mary is the Mother of Jesus and Mother of us all though it was Christ alone who reposed on her knees. . . If we should be in your situation, where there is also need to be and everything that has to be ours, and his mother is our mother. (Sermon, Christmas, 1529).
Martin Luther was the belief of the Immaculate Conception of Mary, the words of Luther:
It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of the soul of Mary was without original sin, so that the infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with the gifts of God, receiving a pure soul infused by God, it started from the beginning was to live free from all sin "(Sermon:" On the Day of the Conception of the Mother of God, "1527).
It is full of grace, proclaimed to be entirely without sin-something big. By God's grace fills her with everything good and makes you free from all evils. (Staff ( "Small") Prayer Book, 1522).
Martin Luther in the perpetual virginity of Mary
These are some of the founders of the reform with comments about Mary:
Christ our Savior is the true and natural fruit of virginal womb of Mary. . . This was without the cooperation of a man, and she remained a virgin after that.
(Luther's Works, eds. Jaroslav Pelikan (vols. 1-30) & Helmut T. Lehmann (vols. 31-55), St. Louis: Concordia Pub. House (vols. 1-30), Philadelphia: Fortress Press (vols. 31-55), 1955, v.22: 23 / Sermons on John, chaps. 1-4 (1539))
Christ. . . was the only son of Mary, the Virgin Mary had no children and, in addition to it. . . I tend to agree with those who say that "brothers" really means "cousins" here, by the holy scripture and Jews call cousins brothers.
(Pelikan, ibid., V.22 :214-15 / Sermons on John, chaps. 1-4 (1539))
A new lie about me is being circulated. I am supposed to have preached and written that Mary, the Mother of God, was not a virgin either before or after the birth of Christ. . .
(Pelikan, ibid., V.45: 199 / That Jesus Christ was born a Jew (1523))
Scripture does not say or indicate which later lost her virginity. . .
When Matthew [1:25] says that Joseph did not know Mary carnally until he had brought his son, does not follow that he knew her subsequently, by contrast, means that she never knew. . . This babble. . . is without justification. . . he has not noticed or paid attention to Scripture or the common language.
(Pelikan, ibid., V.45 :206,212-3 / That Jesus Christ was born a Jew (1523))
Editor Jaroslav Pelikan (Lutheran) adds:
Luther. . . not even consider the possibility that Mary might have had other children than Jesus. This is consistent with his life accepting the idea of the perpetual virginity of Mary.
(Pelikan, ibid., V.22 :214-5)
"… She is full of grace, proclaimed to be entirely without sin …. God's grace fills her with everything good and makes it devoid of all evil …. God is with her, which means that everything we did or left undone is divine and the action of God in it. Moreover, God guarded and protected from everything that she could harm her. "
Ref: Luther's Works, American edition, vol. 43, p. 40, ed. H. Lehmann, Fortress, 1968
"… She is rightly called not only the mother of the man, but also the Mother of God …. The truth is that Mary is the Mother of the true God and true. "
Ref: Sermon on John 14. 16: Luther's Works (St. Louis, ed. Jaroslav, Pelican, Concordia. Vol 24. P. 107)
"Christ our Savior was the real and natural fruit of virginal womb of Mary …. All this without the cooperation of a man, and she remained a virgin after that. "
(Ref: In the Gospel of St. John: Luther's Works, vol. 22. P. 23, ed. Jaroslav Pelican, Concordia, 1957)
"Men have crowded all her glory into a single phrase: The Mother of God. Nobody can say nothing more of it, as if there were many languages as there are leaves on the trees. " (From the Commentary on the Magnificat.)
Comments on Luther
"… The resolutions of the 95 theses Luther rejects every blasphemy against the Virgin, and thinks it should apologize for any evil thought or said against him. "(Ref: Wm. J. Cole," Luther was a devout Mary? "in Marian studies 1970, p. 116:)
"In Luther's Explanation of the Magnificat in 1521, which begins and ends with an invocation to Mary, that Wright felt compelled to call" amazing. "
(David F. Wright, Chosen by God: Mary in Evangelical Perspecive, London: Marshall Pickering, 1989, p. 178, cited in Faith and Reason, Spring 1994, p. 6.)
Martin Luther defends the Eucharist
Martin Luther in 1529 devoted to the issue of transubstantiation in the famous conference at Marburg with Zwingli and other Swiss theologians, maintained his view that Christ is present in the bread and wine of the Eucharist.
Other reforms on the Perpetual Virginity of Mary
John Calvin
Helvidius shows excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ "brothers" are sometimes mentioned.
(Harmony of Matthew, Mark and Luke, sec. 39 (Geneva, 1562), vol. 2 / commentary Calvin, tr. William Pringle, Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1949, p.215; in Matthew 13:55 )
[On Matt 1:25] The inference he [Helvidius] it is stated that Mary remained a virgin until no more of their first birth, and had other children after her husband. . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words. . . which occurred after the birth of Christ. He is called "first born" but was simply to report that he was born of a virgin. . . What happened afterwards, the historian does not inform us. . . No man will obstinately keep the argument, except for an extreme fondness for discussion.
(Pringle, ibid., Vol I, p. 107)
Under the word "brothers" Jews include all cousins and other relatives, whatever the degree of affinity.
(Pringle, ibid., Vol I, p. 283 / Commentary on John (7:3))
Huldreich Zwingli
He becomes, in September 1522, to a lyrical defense of the perpetual virginity of the mother of Christ. . . To deny that Mary remained "inviolata" before, during and after the birth of her Son, was to doubt the omnipotence of God. . . and it is right and profitable to repeat the angelic greeting - not prayer - "Ave Maria." . . Mary Estimated God above all creatures, including the saints and angels - it was her purity, innocence and faith that mankind must follow. Prayer, however, it should be. . . God alone. . .
"Expositio Fidei," the last magazine of his pen. . . There is an emphasis on the perpetual virginity of Mary.
(GR Potter, Zwingli, London: Cambridge Univ. Press, 1976, pp.88-9, 395 / The Perpetual Virginity of Mary…, September 17, 1522)
Zwingli had printed in 1524 a sermon on 'Mary, ever Virgin, Mother of God. "
(Thuriès, ibid., P. 76)
I never thought, much less taught, or declared publicly, anything concerning the issue of the ever Virgin Mary, Mother of our salvation, that would be considered dishonorable, evil, bad or unworthy. . . I believe with all my heart according to the word of the holy gospel that this pure virgin bore for us the Son of God and that she remains in the birth and after her, a pure and unsullied virgin, for eternity.
(Thuriès, ibid., P. 76 / same sermon)
Heinrich Bullinger
Bullinger (d. 1575). . . defends the perpetual virginity of Mary. . . inveighs against the false Christians who defraud her of her rightful praise: 'In Mary everything is extraordinary and all the more glorious, as it emerges from the pure faith and burning love of God. "She is" the most singular and the noblest member of the Christian community. . .
"The Virgin Mary. . . completely sanctified by the grace and the blood of her
http://confessingevangelical.blogspot.co …
The following is a quote from this site!
Prof. Paul is perhaps the best website known for its promotion of its Lutheran Rosary. Prof. Paul argues that Luther's attacks on the Rosary were aimed at "excessive use and misuse of the Rosary instead of the string against itself," and it's possible to have an evangelical understanding of the rosary to avoid any question of a meritorious work.
As part of its discussion of the rosary, Prof. Paul talks about the Hail Mary, the "Hail Mary" prayer. This was kept by Luther as follows:
Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus Christ. Amen.
That is, Prof. Paul says, "a scripture (Luke 1:28, 42) and therefore should find no objection from Lutherans today." "There is … a prayer or invocation, but rather give praise and honor of the Virgin Mary. " The medieval Christians mistake made was to add requests to Mary that made it a sentence like (in) famous words formalized in 1568 in Trento:
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
Luther calls for:
… it should do the Hail Mary and a prayer or an invocation because it is inappropriate to interpret the words beyond their meaning in themselves and beyond the meaning given by the Holy Spirit.
By contrast, Luther commended a dual approach to the Hail Mary:
First, we can use the Hail Mary as a meditation in which recite what grace God has given. Secondly, there is the desire that all may know and respect as a blessing from God.
I still see the Protestants on this subject of Marian justification for not giving or owning a devotion to the Virgin Mary. There is no basis for their education so they make begging origins of Christianity. I only see the dissolution of Christianity and from side to change the church and lose their authenticity. If they are so against the interception or mediator and that is so unbiblical. If you really want a biblical answer is no heir and tremble adding words of contexts.
In John 2:1-11
1 On the third day there was a wedding in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there.
2 Jesus and his disciples were also invited to the wedding.
3 When the wine ran short, the mother of Jesus said: "They have no wine."
4 (And) Jesus said: "Woman, how does your concern affect me? My time has not yet come. "
5 His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever he tells you."
Here we see Mary intercede for the people at the wedding they need to win. Heir was a chance to say to Jesus: "they come to me and ask me who need to win all they have to dell with me directly." In order to teach that no one should go about Jesus and bring glory to intercede and prevent them from obeying Jesus. We see here that Jesus does not put an end to the intervention of Mary at the wedding, but it grates. We see that the increase compared to the obedience to do what he says.
Most non-Lutheran Protestants do not give a fig what Luther thought about anything, so do not really have much to say about that, I guess.
The apparent silence of Lutherans in this area would be more logical if he wondered what would happen if someone posted a question on whether people knew of Thomas Aquinas's devotion to Mary. I'm guessing that if you have many answers to all Catholics, which could be mostly along the lines of, "Well, what is your point?"
The types of Lutherans understand that our heritage is not offended by the Marian devotion in itself but rather by its misuse and abuse, what we believe to be more widespread in Catholicism that most Catholics support. However, our deep concern about abuses should in no way be understood as revealing a minor appreciation of the Virgin. By contrast, our deep love and respect for its force us to reject such abuses are committed in their name.
Incidentally, next month, August 19, we honored St. Bernard of Clairvaux, who played a major role in the development of Marian piety. Lutherans love to Mary.
I am involved in a lively debate about the Catholic devotion to Mary in a group of protesters at this time. At issue is intercessory prayer and the adoration of the Blessed Virgin. I did the same thing you did, Robert, I looked at the views of Luther on Mary, and was surprised to discover how it was dedicated to the Virgin. He published several excerpts from it and still have not seen some of the answers. I am surprised that for all the criticism and Flack to bear for our devotion to it, that is the modern Protestants who have turned their backs on the historic Christianity, and even more curious in its Protestant roots. Maybe a little education of Protestant get back on track to return home (to the Catholic Church)?
God bless.
Luther and the tradition that emerged from his teachings always Mary in high esteem.
Luther dogmatically asserted what he considered firmly established biblical doctrines like the divine motherhood of Mary, while respecting the views of his pious and perpetual virginity, Immaculate Conception, with the exception that all the doctrine and piety and not to exalt affect the person and work of Jesus Christ.
The centerpiece of Luther was his opinion Marian 1521 Commentary on the Magnificat, in which extolled the magnitude of the grace of God to Mary and his own legacy of Christian instruction and example is shown in her song of praise. Through 490 years, this song has an important place in the Lutheran liturgy.
1521 Your comment on the Magnificat, Luther in his Magnificat, one must call to Mary to give to God and, through his will, we ask.
Quote from the father of the Protestant Reformation, Martin Luther:
"She wants to be the best example of the grace of God, to encourage everyone to trust
and praise of divine grace. "
"… She is full of grace, proclaimed to be entirely without sin …. God's grace fills her with everything good and makes her devoid of all evil …. God is with her, which means that everything we did or left undone is divine and the action of God in it. Moreover, God guarded and protected from everything that she could harm her. "
"… This requires not only the mother of the man, but also the Mother of God …. it is true that Mary is the Mother of the true God and true. "
"Christ our Savior was the real and natural fruit of virginal womb of Mary …. This was without the cooperation of a man, and she remained a virgin after that. "
Here are some interesting quotes Luther:
It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of the soul of Mary was without original sin, so that the infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with the gifts of God, receiving a pure soul infused by God, it started from the beginning was to live free from all sin "(Sermon:" On the Day of the Conception of the Mother of God, "1527).
[It is] the highest woman and the noblest gem in Christianity after Christ. . . She is nobility, wisdom, and holiness personified. We can never honor her enough. Still honor and praise to be given to it in such a way as to injure neither Christ nor the Bible. (Sermon, Christmas, 1531).
Mary is the Mother of Jesus and Mother of us all though it was Christ alone who reposed on her knees. . . If we should be in your situation, where there is also need to be and everything that has to be ours, and his mother is our mother. (Sermon, Christmas, 1529).
"… She is full of grace, proclaimed to be entirely without sin …. God's grace fills her with everything good and makes it devoid of all evil …. God is with her, which means that everything we did or left undone is divine and the action of God in it. Moreover, God guarded and protected from everything that she could harm her. "
(Luther's Works, American edition, vol. 43, p. 40, ed. H. Lehmann, Fortress, 1968).
"Men have crowded all her glory into a single phrase: The Mother of God. Nobody can say nothing more of it, as if there were many languages as there are leaves on the trees. " (From the Commentary on the Magnificat).
For Martin Luther, the Assumption of Mary is a fact, as his homily of 1522 indicates that, despite the fact that Mary of the Assumption is not explicitly in Scripture. For the Protestant reformer, Martin Butzer (1545), there was no reason to doubt the Assumption of the Virgin Mary in heavenly glory. "In fact, no doubt that the Christian Mother of the Lord more dignified lives with his beloved Son in heavenly joy." (Marienlexikon, vol L3, 200)
I find easy to connote the appointment, however, Luther also recognized Mary as the Queen of Heaven, though, of course, warned against turning the goddess. (I think it might be in his 1521 Commentary on the Magnificat.)
Couple of people told me better. Martin Luther was not our (non-Catholic Christians ")" Founder ", as someone suggested. I respect him as a voice of resistance against the abuses of the Church, but in no way, shape or form make it look like an authority.
sorry, can not break the streak. A Catholic who does not know it here.
Where are the protesters?
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Here are some answers: http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/ind …
and for those who say that do not view him as an authority …. how it is possible, you are following in his footsteps?
Can anyone possibly follow someone, and the person who is followed by million / billion have no authority? Where is the logic?
once again … I am distraught. I am now convinced that it is fully and exclusively the work of the Holy Spirit to bring sight to the blind. I think this explains my resignation …
thanks for the history lesson … but not my faith i could care less what exactly it was that their views were …
So Luther was wrong about Mary. What exactly does that prove?
Let me add this: We are not bound to the dogmatic statements of any religious figure. We are free, even the duty, to "search the scriptures and see if these things are true." Maybe you can tell me why that is objective standard to judge the beliefs and statements and pronouncements of the pope is infallible, because in certain conditions? How do you know, for example, that Pius IX was correct in the definition of papal infallibility? Is it because he was infallible? Out of concern for simple logic I sure hope not. But then, how do you know who was unfailingly correct about their own infallibility? I know that Luther was fallible so your question does not pose a real problem for me.
* I am a child of God *, and that's what I go by …. I have very little interest, or I find that interest in anyone who teaches, preaches, cree or have faith in * something that is not biblical …. It seems that after many studies, any of the known * facts, beliefs or truth * Catholic, Mormon, or, in the Bible ….. Pedro was not a pope, was a Jew ….. Had faith in the name * and * * * that Jesus was not the finished work of the cross ….. The priesthood is a Jew! which will be a nation of priests! the apostles and followers are still worshiped in the synagogues, the sacrifices made, washed, went to the priest, etc. …… How in the world than any one get that first Pope? sorry, I can not get my brain around any of that ….. but, as I always say, everyone should follow our own path …… A lot of people passing through the hands of God and not in words, are a rude awakening ….. Mary was the chosen vessel to carry the seeds *……. * it is through and through human ….. carrying the gene * sin like all we do and do not ….. The Bible is a constant reminder of what is and for marriage, and compares our relationship with Christ to the very institution that ….. How in the world or why would anyone think that there were no more children after Jesus? * Shakes head *….. I just do not get it …… There is nothing special about Mary as a human, was, and especially through the eyes of God !!!!! Is no place in the Bible God tells us to rise above any of his ….. We honor her as the chosen vessel * that * was honored above all women themselves, but God is not anywhere near the place where a lot of people seem to …… ok, enough of my thoughts and such ……. go in peace …… God bless
Protestants are not followers of Martin Luther; are true followers of Christ. They do not worship the Virgin Mary.
To Him who sits on the throne and the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power forever and ever! Jesus is Lord.