By: Meg M

Meg M — Wed, 27 May 2009 21:19:15 +0000

Both the Trinity and the real presence have been defined. Infallible teachings.
"Although each of the bishops do not enjoy the prerogative of infallibility, however, proclaim infallibly the doctrine of Christ, where, although scattered throughout the world, but maintaining the bond of communion among themselves and with the successor of Peter and authentically teaching matters of faith and morals, they agree on a final position to be held. This is even more clearly verified when, gathered in an ecumenical council, they are teachers and judges of faith and morals of the universal Church, whose definitions must be respected with the presentation of the faith. - Lumen Gentium 25http: / / http://www.vatican.va / archive / hist_counc …

By: zorrro85

zorrro85 — Wed, 27 May 2009 21:19:15 +0000

These are the teachings of the RC church, (I used to be RC) but has no authority to change what the Bible teaches
(Acts 20:29-30) … I know that after my oppressive wolves will enter in yourselves and not deal with the tenderness of the herd, and 30 men among yourselves stand and speak twisted things to draw away disciples after them …
(Colossians 2:8) … Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry YOU off as his prey through philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ;
So here is what Jesus said about the artificial traditions.
(Matthew 15:1-9) 15 Then came to Jesus from Jerusalem Pharisees and scribes, saying, 2 "Why do your disciples beyond the tradition of men of other times? For example, do not wash their hands when they are about to eat a meal. "3 In reply he told them:" Why are you passing the commandment of God by your tradition? 4 For example, God said, 'Honor thy father and thy mother "and" Let him that reviles father or mother end up in death. "5 But you say," Whoever says to his father or mother: "I have by which you can benefit from me is a gift dedicated to God," 6 not honoring her father at all . And I have made the word of God invalid because of its tradition. 7 hypocrites or Isaiah prophesied about you, saying: 8 'This people honors me with their lips but their heart is far from me. 9 It is in vain that I keep of worship, and to teach as doctrines commands of men …
Notice said their religion was in vain (some translations say "worthless")
by Pope John stop so that heaven and hell, etc. pergatory 1999
Concept of Hell
Pope John Paul century redefine old concepts of hell.
Wednesday, 28 July 1999
(This is an unedited transcript free).
Peter Jennings last night, it was not the heat that has made us focus tonight on the concept of
Hell, we promise. It's really about John Paul's views of hell, who said today. Only a week after he said that
The sky is no place in the clouds, the Pope said that hell is not "down there." ABC Bill Blakemore, who
covers the Vatican for us, understands these issues.
BILL Blakemore, ABCNEWS (VO) The Power of Art Pope is reacting a. Catholics have never taught
Hell is a physical place but a state that put in your account by cutting you off from God. But along the
centuries, artists were looking for ways to help make you feel real spiritual state. And over the years, many people
absorbs the art as the real thing. Michelangelo's great painting of heaven and hell are visual metaphors, inspired
moreover Italian poet Dante. Dante's poem "The Inferno" describes the large hole burning in hell —
Devil in the frozen ice. Poetic license, but many are not Catholic doctrine.
Robert Pinsky, Dante's Inferno "by Dante TRADUCTOR had a great way to imagine physical, visual
counterparts in the different ways that harm the souls themselves.
Blakemore BILL (VO) Go further back in biblical times and hell is a place on the east side of Jerusalem.
Archaeologists say that the ravine is a place called Gehenna, where ancient people sacrificed children in fires and then
burning of garbage. Thus, the biblical writers use their burning and death to the track of what it means to be separated from God. The last
version? A film with Heaven and Hell. The film says that these statements are only spiritual. However, images can be as
powerful colors so real, it is not surprising that the Pope has to remind followers that they should not always see to believe.
Bill Blakemore, ABCNEWS.
Peter Jennings I hope the clarification is helpful.
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Purgatory (1999)
by John Patrick Michael Murphy
Pope John Paul II has been reported recently that the world still in Purgatory, and made arrangements with the
powers that be to early when we die. Says that quitting smoking or drinking in this world,
even for one day, we will smoke less when we die. Purgatory is located close to hell, but unlike the Hell is a
Two-way door. Everyone finally leave. However, following the advice of the Pope, before we leave. The
you smoke more in this world, the more you smoke in the next, he says.
Read your Bible, from the first mistake in Genesis, in the last curse of Malachi, (as Robert Ingersoll used to say), and
nowhere in the Old Testament can be found Purgatory. You come across surprising events, a mixture of
inconsistencies and contradictions, inbred serial murderers, plagues and pestilence, but there is no purgatory. No heaven or hell
or - a bit of life and a lot of dying. Die, especially if the Lord was on the roam.
In the New Testament, there sure is a hell as hell. Jesus brought the new covenant. No more human sacrifice —
Atonement took care of everything. Here, for the first time, we find life after death in a heaven or hell, but again, no
Purgatory. Start with the unknown writer of Mark, and read until recent rantings of John the Divine in
Disclosures, and they will not find Purgatory. So how do we get there? How do I know about it? The Pope said that
as if he has been there and checked on the conditions. Where did he get his knowledge?
Judaism, Islam, Christianity, and most reject the idea of Purgatory. The Episcopal Book of Common Prayer
condemned as "invented in vain" and "… repugnant to the Word of God. "
Popes Martin Luther called "idea to let the souls of his torture by money, or special prayers, was a
"invention." In his view, enough about him to start his own religion on him. Christian Science can not even find the
place. So where to next?
Years ago I came across a booklet written by an old curmudgeon named Frank C. Otherwise Hughes. Was a
humorist who lived free in the first part of this century, who said (in jest) to be the Pope of Bad Lands,
pestered government officials and for equal treatment with their "Italian competition." He asked (and received)
rail passes, and, sometimes aboard the trains in its entirety as REGALIA Pope, with the addition of a large water supply
bucket labeled "Holey water and a chemical fire extinguisher. He said he was going to put out fires
Purgatory and in Hell's later work. He did just the opposite of the Roman pope. He excommunicate
people and send them to heaven. He refused to take up collections and kiss your ring.
Historical research was also reliable. This Pope Purgatory studied this business
and here are their conclusions:
"The first Protestants believe Purgatory. Racket class. This view is a narrow sectarian and is not supported by the
evidence. While Jesus and Paul knew nothing of this place, this is a reliable and documented Christian is not a scam
racket. "
"The idea of purgatory originated from Persia, and Pope Gregory in 604 AD was the first Christian enough for the brain
sense of its commercial value. The Council of Trent (1545-1563) declared the Purgatory to be a scam issue
Catholic faith. What happened to the millions of good Catholics who have died without the benefit of a cooling-off "to stay
Purgatory might explain some priest.
New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia
EXISTENCE OF HELL
There is a hell, that is, those who die in personal mortal sin, as enemies of, and unworthy of eternal life will be seriously
sentenced to after death. On the nature of mortal sin, see for the immediate commencement of the punishment after death, ver.
As for the fate of those who die free from personal mortal sin, but original sin, see (parvulorum limbo).
The existence of hell is, of course, denied by those who deny or immortality of the soul. Thus among the Jews
Sadducees, one of the Seleucians, and in our own time, Pantheists, etc, to deny the existence of hell. But beyond
of these, if the summary of the eternal punishment of hell, the doctrine has never met any opposition worthy of
mentioned.
The existence of hell is shown first in the Bible. Whenever the floor and the hell that means
knowledge of its existence (;;;;;;, etc.). A complete development of the Scriptures argument, especially in
Regarding the Old Testament can be found at Atzberger "Die Christliche Eschatologie Stadio ihrer in den
Offenbarung im Alten und Neuen Testament ", Freiburg, 1890. Also, the Fathers, from the earliest times,
unanimous in teaching that the wicked will be punished after death. And in proof of his doctrine to resort to
A reason and Scripture (cf. Ignatius, Ad Eph., V, 16; "Martyrium Polycarpi Art," ii, n, 3 xi, n.2;, "Apol." II, No. 8
PG, VI, 458; Athenagoras, "De resurr. Mort. "C. xix in PG, VI, 1011; Irenaeus, "Adv. haer., V, xxvii, n. 2 P.G.
VII, 1196, "Adv. Marc., I, c. xxvi, in P.L., IV, 277). Citation for this Atzberger see patristic teaching, Geshe.
der Christl. Eschatologie innerhalb der Zeit vornicanischen "(Freiburg, 1896); Petavius," De Angelis ", III, IV sqq.
The professed their faith in the Creed Athanasia: "Those who have done good shall go into eternal life, and that
have done evil in the eternal fire "(Denzinger," Enchiridion ", 10th ed., 1908, n 40). He defined this
truth, for example, in the profession of faith in the Second Council of Lyon (Denx., n. 464) and the Decree of Union
the Council of Florence (Denz., N. 693): "the souls of those who are in mortal sin, or just down immediately
into hell, to be visited, however, with the disparity of sentences "(poenis disparibus).
If a summary of the eternity of punishment, the existence of hell can be demonstrated even by the light of the simple
reason. His holiness and justice, as well as in its wisdom, you must avenge the violation of the moral order in such wise
to preserve, at least in general, proportional to the seriousness of sin and the severity of the sentence. But it is
clear from experience that this is not always in the ground, so inflict punishment after death.
Moreover, if all men are fully convinced that the sinner is no need for fear of punishment after death, moral and social
order would be seriously threatened. This, however, the divine wisdom can not afford. Again, if there is no punishment
beyond what takes place before our eyes here on earth, we should consider very indifferent to the good
and evil, and in no way could account for his justice and holiness. Nor can we say the wicked will be punished,
but not by any positive taxation: either death is the end of its existence, or lose the reward of the
Well, some of which will enjoy a lesser degree. These are arbitrary and vain subterfuge, not by any sound
reason, the punishment is the reward positive natural evil. In addition, the proportion between the penalty and demerit
would be impossible for an indiscriminate annihilation of the wicked. And finally, if the man knew that his
sins would not be followed by the sufferings, the mere threat of annihilation at the time of death, let alone
prospect of a slightly lesser degree of beatitude, would not be sufficient to deter

By: Pastor Art

Pastor Art — Wed, 27 May 2009 21:19:15 +0000

Now you know why I'm not Catholic.
No need to worry about all your stupid rules.
Pastor Art

By: Father K ™

Father K ™ — Wed, 27 May 2009 21:19:15 +0000

I'm not Catholic … but I will take a picture:
The first two have been believed by everyone, everywhere and for all time "- according to the Canon of St. Vincent of Lerins. They were decided by the Council - and especially for the first seven Councils of the undivided Church. Virtually all Christians agree.
As for Purgatory … was added to a later, but … .. I think it was a pronouncement ex cathedra, and the Council of Trent.
Remember that the weight of the Council and the Magisterium … that's not all up to the Pope.

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