Comments on: Jesus or the Bible says nothing about Purgatory?

By: skepsis

skepsis — Thu, 28 May 2009 21:20:56 +0000

Jesus seemed more interested in the establishment of the kingdom of God in the here and now rather than the details below. The concept of "purgatory" was derived from some of the passages of the Septuagint (ancient Greek translation of Jewish Scriptures) and the Christian understanding of God's justice and mercy.
There was a problem with Jewish theology at the same time. There was no concept of "there." Religious scholars believe that all rewards and punishments were in this life. But the evidence showed otherwise. Many good people die young and miserable, while many poor people enjoyed a comfortable old age and many children. In the last couple of centuries before Jesus was born, many Jews came to a realization that there must be something more, an afterlife in which divine justice could be administered.
But exactly how it would work took some time to find out. Jesus eventually provided some brief thoughts, "places of reward and punishment, but the religious thinkers has been considering the issue for a while now.
You are probably aware that the Catholic and Protestant Bibles have different numbers of books. The reason for this is part of the content in the "Catholic" books, especially books of the Maccabees, which were written during and after the War of the Maccabees II century BC. 2 Maccabees includes several stories in which persecutes Jews spoke of the resurrection in a future life, fairly new concepts in Jewish writings so far.
There is a story in 2 Maccabees12, in which a Jewish captain comes across a group of Jewish soldiers killed, but discovers that, under their clothing that they had been wearing amulets of another "god." He immediately took a collection from among its own people to pay for a sin sacrifice in Jerusalem, the soldiers killed in the name. This makes no sense if the final sentence was immediately put to death. Therefore, Christian theologians reasoned that there must be an intermediate state of existence in which those who die in the states of lesser sins can be purged of sin and not be denied heaven because of a technicality. Moreover, the slaughter in history demonstrated that life could intercede on behalf of the dead to reduce the process to a minimum.
These ideas are unacceptable to Protestant theology, and Martin Luther used the excuse that the books were written too late to be part of the Old Testament Scriptures to remove the offender. But until then, Christians have always accepted the Apocrypha as inspired, and Catholics continue.
There are New Testament scriptures that point to something in between death and heaven. Paul prayed for Onesiphorous after his death, "the Lord grant that you will find mercy of the Lord in that day" (2 Timothy 1:16-18). "After his death, Jesus went to preach to the spirits in prison" (1 Peter 3:19). "Nothing can enter heaven dirty" (Rev 21:27). Catholics also see signs of "purgatory" in the parable of the unforgiving servant in Matthew 18:23-35. And in 1 Corinthians 3:11-15: "The work of each builder will come to light, reveal for the day. Revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each job. If the job is someone who built on the base, that person receives a salary. However, if someone's work is burned up, it will suffer a loss, the person is saved, but only through fire. "
Some Catholic apologists get a little lead, but the idea of Purgatory is not "composed". It is a sincere effort to explain several passages of the Bible in the light of what we have come to understand about God. Just do not think it is a geographic place. In fact, it may not be something that is experienced as "expects" or even "pain". We really do not know. But what is certain is that God does not condemn the other good people who may have died in an unfortunate moment in a technical state of "sin."

By: Margaret L

Margaret L — Thu, 28 May 2009 21:20:56 +0000

Purgatory is referenced in the Bible 2Mach 12:43-46. Protestants 2Machabees removed from his Bible, as it supports the doctrine of Purgatory.
The New Testament also has reference to Purgatory: Mt12: 32, 1Cor3 :13-15, Mt5 :25-26
Links that help answer your questions about Purgatory: http://au.search.yahoo.com/search; _ylt = A. .. http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2005/05…http: / / http://www.catholicapologetics.info / apologies …

By: Blue-Eyed Christian

Blue-Eyed Christian — Thu, 28 May 2009 21:20:56 +0000

No. Purgatory does not exist - is a man-made doctrine that simply will not find in the Bible. The Bible teaches that salvation is by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ - not working. And going to pay and purgatory for their sins is salvation by works.
If you are trusting Jesus Christ for salvation, do not have to pay for their sins at all. Jesus did it all. When he died on the cross, which was enough to pay for each of its past sins. He took the punishment, and now nobody has to. However, purgatory is a place where you pay for their own sins. If we could do that …. So why did Jesus have to die? What was the point if we can do ourselves as a long enough stay in purgatory?
Anyway. Read the Gospel of John and the book of Romans - preferably in a Catholic Bible (it is a corrupted text, alas!). That may help answer some questions.

By: TRUTH Speaker

TRUTH Speaker — Thu, 28 May 2009 21:20:56 +0000

NO …
Purgatory ……. NOT Biblical and Jesus never said it was a purgatory, in fact if there was Jesus came and gave his life for nothing …..
Most of the Catholic teaching is a place to pay for the sins of each other and to pray for them that to enter heaven … I have heard many stories of this kind of Catholics and others ….
It is NOT biblical at all …. in fact it goes against everything that Jesus was and came to bring …
The Bible says there is a heaven and hell …….
There is no place in between
and the Bible says so ….
My advice would be to read the Bible .. and leave all doctrines of men and the traditions and customs of her ………

By: http://w

http://w — Thu, 28 May 2009 21:20:56 +0000

Well, Purgatory is not mentioned in the Bible. However, there are some biblical passages that describe something very similar * Purgatory - yes, even in the Protestant Bible (I'm Protestant )….
First, let me describe what the Bible does not * say about this ….
a) there is a "place" where the dead - at least on one occasion - are aware
b) in this "place" was possible - at least on one occasion - of the unsaved dead for the salvation
c) is also possible that the living dead to assist in obtaining salvation
Now, that is NOT a complete description of the Roman Catholic purgatory (obviously), but these Scriptures show that something like purgatory or existed at one time or still exists. These verses also clearly contradicts the belief - held by many of my fellow Protestants - the dead are always unconscious until the final decision, or that the dead can not get salvation after they have died.
OK, here are the excerpts …
a) and b) v 18-22. Note also verse 6 in the next chapter, which makes clear that these people had died, was not held in the spirit of creatures prisonhttp: / / http://www.studybibleforum.com / htm_php.p …
c) v 29 - makes it clear that life can perform acts that aid the dead in obtaining salvation. What other benefits (and Paul makes it clear that there is a benefit) could substitute baptism for the dead are they? Http: / / http://www.studybibleforum.com / htm_php.p …
a) (chapter) - in this case we see the dead conscious communication with Jesushttp: / / http://www.studybibleforum.com / htm_php.p …
SO, I believe the Catholic doctrine of Purgatory is supported * * * * but not proved by Scripture. I think many of the details of the Roman Catholic Purgatory * not * described in the scriptures anywhere (including the concept of indulgences), nor is it described in the scriptures that many of the acts claimed to earn indulgences make * *.
However, it is very clear that * something * as Purgatory exists, and that * some * things that life can help make the not-yet-dead stored in obtaining salvation.
Therefore, I do not believe all they say-or rather you quote from Purgatory Ecclesiastes. Jesus was not around then, and salvation was not available then. With Jesus, there is life after the grave of the unconscious - as some of the above verse so clearly described. Is it exactly like Catholic purgatory? That is something for you to decide.
Jim, http://www.christianwebprogramming.com/b …

By: Suzi B

Suzi B — Thu, 28 May 2009 21:20:55 +0000

Nope. Catholic concept.

By: green eyes

green eyes — Thu, 28 May 2009 21:20:55 +0000

Purgatory is in place to scare the believers to believe in a faith of accepting Jesus died for the sins of mankind by being baptized in the name of Jesus.
However, when a child or adult dies and has not been named the spirit is in limbo, neither here nor there, thinking it would be one place to another in search of peace, but can not find it.
It is an absurd idea, and who believe in things like that it is better not to believe

By: good tree

good tree — Thu, 28 May 2009 21:20:55 +0000

My understanding of what happens when we die is that believers (those who accept salvation through faith in Jesus, not by works) will be with Jesus in paradise until the day of trial, and the whole world goes to Hades, a sort of waiting room before the decision day. The Bible says nothing at all about the possibility of being saved after physical death. I do not know why the Catholics have their lessons in purgatory, and I found a link to help explain the biblical perspective.

By: righteou

righteou — Thu, 28 May 2009 21:20:55 +0000

The Catholic Church used to teach children who went to unbaptised Limbo, but does not teach the doctrine of Limbo more, Jesus or the Bible does not talk about Limbo.
Regarding purgatory is concerned that is not in the Bible or talk about Jesus, but im not sure if the Catholic Church teaches that follows.

By: CARAMEL LOVE

CARAMEL LOVE — Thu, 28 May 2009 21:20:55 +0000

Never like purgatory is not even mentioned in the Bible. It's another "thunk" to false belief of a false religion, as Catholics.
All organized religions are cults artificial to dupe and deceive the masses by the greed and brainwashing.
What is important is your personal relationship with God.