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Purgatory is not only the Catholic confusion about the work of sanctification of God here on Earth?

In the case of quotation from the Bible to support the idea of Purgatory, all those passages in the context of the Bible relate to the Christian life on Earth.

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13 comments for “Purgatory is not only the Catholic confusion about the work of sanctification of God here on Earth?”


  1. timbers says:

    Q: Is not just the Catholic Purgatory confusion about the sanctification of God's work here on Earth?
      A: For those independent thinkers, the words Catholic and confusion are synonymous.

  2. Suzanne: YPA says:

    I've said it a million times, but I certainly do not mind saying again: the Catholic notion of "Purgatory" denies the complete sufficiency of Jesus' sacrificial death to cleanse us from all past, present and future sins. Therefore, it is a heretical belief.
      But what to expect - Catholics believe that Jesus is literally crucified again at every Mass that without scriptural foundation.
      EDIT: JP, you're absolutely right. Nice analogy, but no purgatory, given Jesus' sacrificial death.

  3. sparki77 says:

    Catholics believe that sanctification begins here on earth, but it is highly unlikely for anyone who is going to be completely done while in the flesh. You may want to read Romans 7, for more on this.
      Since no one in the flesh is completely without sin, sanctification process is completed (Christ) at the time of our death. We call the process "purgatory" because we believe that all traces of sin are completely purged from our souls by the blood of the Lamb, so we can enter heaven, because as you know, "nothing unclean can enter the sky, "as in Revelations 21.
      Is it possible for a person to live in the flesh completely free of sin, and even the remotest idea of sin?

  4. shjOlds_ says:

    The Catechism says that even the Catholic Church has created:
      "The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent." Pg 268-269, # 1031
      "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality ,…" 1 Corinthians 15:52-54
      This verse shows that it is necessary only purgatory, if not present. Why, because Jesus is going to change the whole world in a twinkling of an eye "has been saved by the washing of his blood. Also, I have yet to meet a Catholic who has any idea how long a person must stay in purgatory before allowing God anyway. When I was a Catholic, he never told us how long a person must stay in purgatory. Therefore, this verse also shows that, even if it were true purgatory is obsolete because of what the Bible clearly says.
      To date:
      Our little princess, baptism is not you never to do with going to heaven.
      "I do not know of any scripts that this state and I have not found in the Bible." Not to say something then?

  5. imacatho says:

    No.
      "But if someone's work is burned up, it will suffer a loss, the person is saved, but only through fire." (1 Corinthians 3:15)
      "Thus the authenticity of their faith, more precious than gold which is perishable evidence, though by fire, may be praise, glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ." (1 Peter 1:7)
      However, the souls of the righteous are in God's hands, and no torment touches. Which appeared in the view of the foolish, to be dead, and his death was considered a disease and its course ahead of us, total destruction. But they are at peace. For if before men, indeed, be punished, but the hope is full of immortality; punished a little, it will be very blessed, because God tried and found worthy of himself. Like gold in the furnace, the result, and as sacrificial offerings to them to himself. (Wisdom 3:1-6)
      Is it perfect now? Most people would say no.
      Will it be perfect in heaven? Most people believe so.
      Purgatory (or purgation) is the process of God's love changing our imperfect beings themselves perfect.
      Depending on the amount of change required by different people, this may be a little easier or process.
      Everyone in purgatory is on its way to heaven.
      I do not think Mother Teresa of Calcutta had a very hard time of it.
      For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, section 1030: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1s
      With love in Christ.

  6. Daver says:

    After a state of death and suffering of forgiveness
      Matt. 5:26,18:34; Luke 12:58-59 - Jesus teaches us: "Come to terms with your opponent or you will be given to the judge and thrown into prison. You will not leave until you have paid the last penny. "The word" rival "(antidiko) is probably a reference to the devil (see the same word for the devil in 1 Pet. 5:8) which is an accuser against man (see Job 1.6-12; Zac. 3.1 ; Rev. 12.10), and God is the judge. If we have not adequately dealt with satan and sin in this life, to be held in a temporary state called a prison, and not leave until they have fulfilled all our debt to God. This "prison" is purgatory where not leave until the last penny is paid.
      Matt. 5:48 - Jesus says, "be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect." We are just a perfect through purification, and in Catholic teaching, this purification, if not completed on earth, is continued in a transitional state we call purgatory.
      Matt. 12:32 - Jesus says, "And whoever says a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this world or the next." Jesus therefore, clearly states that there is forgiveness after death. The phrase "the next" (from the Greek "to mellonti") generally refers to the other (see, for example, Mark 10.30, Luke 18.30; 20,34-35; Eph. 1.21 to similar wording). Forgiveness is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This demonstrates that there is another state after death, the Church and for the years 2000 years this state has called Purgatory.
      Luke 12:47-48 - when the Master comes (at the end of time), some will receive light or heavy beatings but live. This state is not heaven or hell, because in heaven there is no shock, and hell no longer live with the Master.
      Luke 16:19-31 - in this story, we see that the dead rich man is suffering but still feels compassion for his brothers and wants to warn them of their place of suffering. But there is no suffering in heaven or compassion in hell because compassion is a grace from God in Hell and those who are deprived of the grace of God for all eternity. Where is the rich man? He is in purgatory.
      1 Cor. 15:29-30 - Paul mentions people baptized in the name of the dead, in the context of atoning for their sins (people are baptized in the name of the dead so the dead can be raised). They can not be in heaven because they are still with sin, but can not be in hell because their sins can not be atoned for. They are in purgatory. These verses directly correspond to 2 macc. 12:44-45 which also shows specific prayers for the dead, so they can be forgiven their sins.
      Phil. 2:10 - every knee bends to Jesus, in heaven on earth, and under the earth, "which is the kingdom of the righteous dead, or purgatory.
      2 Tim. 1:16-18 - Paul is dead Onesiphorus but calls for mercy on him that day. "Paul's use of" that day "demonstrates its eschatological usage (see, eg, Rom. 2.5,16; 1 Cor. 1.8, 3.13, 5.5, 2 Cor. 1.14, Phil. 1.6,10, 2.16, 1 Thess. 5.2,4,5,8, 2 Thess. 2.2,3, 2 Tim. 4.8). Of course, there is no need for mercy in heaven, and there is no mercy in hell. Where is Onesiphorus? He is in purgatory.
      Heb. 12:14 - without holiness no one will see the Lord. We need final sanctification to attain true holiness before God, and this process occurs in our lifetime and, if not completed during our lives, in the transitional state of purgatory.
      Heb. 12:23 - the spirits of just men who died in godliness are "made" perfect. Not necessarily arrive perfect. It makes perfect after his death. But those are already in heaven is perfect, and those in hell can not be perfect. These spirits are in purgatory.
      1 Peter 3:19, 4:6 - Jesus preached to the spirits in "prison". These are the souls of the righteous to be purified for the beatific vision.
      Rev. 21:4 - God wipe away their tears, and no grief or pain, but only after the coming of the new heaven and the death of the current heaven and earth. Note the elimination of the tears and pain only occurs at the end of time. But there is no morning or pain in heaven, and God does not wipe away their tears in hell. These are the souls suffer purgatory.
      Rev. 21:27 - nothing unclean shall enter heaven. The word "dirty" comes from the Greek word "koinon" which refers to a spiritual corruption. Even the propensity to sin is spiritually corrupt, or considered unclean and must be purified before entering heaven. It is surprising how many Protestants do not want to believe in purgatory. Purgatory exists because of God's mercy. If there is no purgatory, this also means you can not salvation for most people. In fact, God is merciful.
      Luke 23:43 - many Protestants argue that since Jesus sent the good thief right to heaven, no purgatory. There are several replicas. First, when Jesus uses the word "paradise" that does not mean the sky. Paradise, the Hebrew "sheol," meant the realm of the righteous dead. This was the place of the dead who were destined for heaven, but that is captive to the Lord's resurrection. Secondly, since there was no punctuation in the original manuscript, Jesus' statement "I say to you today will be with me in paradise" does not mean that there was a comma after the first word "you". This means that Jesus could have said, "I say to you today, that will be with me in paradise" (ie, Jesus could have emphasized with exclamation his statement was "today" or "now" and that sometime in the future the good thief would go to heaven). Thirdly, even if the thief went straight to heaven, this does not prove there is no purgatory (those who are fully sanctified in this life - perhaps by a bloody and repentant death - could be ready for admission into the sky).
      Gen. 50:10, Num. 20:29, Deut. 34:8 - here are some examples of ritual prayer and penitent mourning for the dead for specific periods of time. The Jewish understanding of these practices is the prayer that frees the souls of her painful state of purification, and expedited their journey to God.
      Baruch 3:4 - Baruch asks the Lord to hear the prayers of the dead of Israel. Prayers for the dead are superfluous and unnecessary in heaven in hell. These dead are in purgatory.
      Zac. 9:11 - God, through the blood of his covenant, shall be set free from the water pool, a spiritual abode of suffering which the Church calls purgatory.
      2 macc. 12:43-45 - the prayers for the dead help free them from sin and help the reward of heaven. Those in heaven have no sin, and who in the hell can not be freed from sin. They are in purgatory. Luther was particularly troubled with these verses because he rejected the old teaching of purgatory. As a result, took charge of the Maccabees in the Bible.
      After the death of purification by fire
      Heb. 12:29 - God is a consuming fire (of love in the sky, of purgation in purgatory, or of suffering and damnation in hell).
      1 Cor. 3:10-15 - works are judged after death and tested by fire. Some works have been lost, but the person is still saved. Paul refers to the state of purgation called purgatory. The venial sins (bad works) that were committed are burned after death, but the person is brought to salvation. This state after death can not be heaven (no one with venial sins is present) or hell (there is forgiveness and salvation).
      1 Cor. 3:15 - "If any man's work burn, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only through fire." The phrase "suffer loss" in Greek is "zemiothesetai" ;. The root word is "zemioo" which also refers to punishment. The construction zemiothesetai "is used in the former. 21:22 and Prov. 19:19 which refers to punishment (from the Hebrew "Anash" which means "punish" or "penalty"). Therefore, this verse shows that there is an expiation of temporal punishment after our death, but the person is still saved. This can not mean the sky (there is no punishment in heaven) and this can not mean hell (the possibility of sin no longer exists and the person is not saved).
      1 Cor. 3:15 - In addition, Paul writes "he himself will be saved," but only "(or" so ") and the fire." "He will be saved" in Greek is "sothesetai" (which means eternal salvation). The phrase "but only" (or "tan") in Greek is "hout", meaning "the same way." This means that man is both eternally rewarded and eternally saved from the same way by the fire.
      1 Cor. 3:13 - when Paul writes about God revealing the quality of each man's work by fire and purifying him, this purification refers to his sins (not only their good deeds). Protestants, in attempting to disprove the reality of purgatory, argue that Paul was writing only about rewarding good works, and not punishing sins (because punishing a man and purification of sins would be admitting that there a purgatory).
      1 Cor. 3:17 - but this verse proves that the purgation after death about punishing sin. That is, destroy the temple of God is a bad job, which is a mortal sin, which leads to death. 1 Cor. 3:14,15,17 - purgatory thus reveals the state of the law (v.14), state of venial sin (V.15) and the state of mortal sin (V.17), all which are judged after death.
      1 Peter 1:6-7 - Peter refers to this purgatorial fire to test the fruits of our faith.
      Jude 1:23 - the people who are saved are being snatched from the flames. People are already saved if they are in heaven, and there is no possibility of salvation if they are in hell. These people are being led to heaven from purgatory.
      Rev. 3:18-19 - Jesus refers to this fire as it refines the gold that loves if they repent of their sins. This is in the context of after death, because Jesus, who spoke from the sky, gives the white dress of salvation after the purgation of fire (both after death).
      Dan 12:10 - Daniel refers to this refining by saying many purified themselves are white and refined.
      Wis. 3:5-6 - the dead are disciplined and tested by fire to receive their heavenly reward. This is the fire of purgatory.
      Sir 2:5 - for gold is tested in fire, and acceptable for men in the furnace of humiliation.
      Zac. 13:8-9 - God says 2 / 3 will perish, and 1 / 3 was left alive, into the fire, and refined as silver and tested like gold. Those who die go to hell, and there is need for improvement in the sky, so it is being refined in purgatory.
      Mal. 3:2-3 - God also refers to the purification of the righteous in their death.

  7. www.peac says:

    Yes, they are not only confused by misleading information.
      The rejection of Scripture as the Authority, the media must look at a permit or other sources not inspired by the doctrine, and therefore we all unreasonable doctrines Paed-baptism, perpetuated the Petrine papacy to Purgatory to Prayers for the dead. http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/pap
      Therefore, they are taught that Catholics are justified (forgiven and God) for a (unBiblical) priest sprinkling water on the souls as a confession of faith to Rome, but most usually as a baby and power of faith, of their parents or guardians, and to obtain the grace of God which is given to the Rome of the reservoir, they can do good works that will help them to gain eternal life. But, of course, usually have to spend an indefinite time in a mythical place called "purgatory" for their suffering "venial" sins to atone for not on earth, and be purified so that they can enter heaven!
      And what is effectively conveyed to his followers is even more perverse, which is basically that while it dies in the arms of Rome, having been a "baptized" with Catholic and at least some superficial appearances to the Mass and confession, then in Rome where you place them in their baptism unBiblical. Therefore anti-Christ, Catholics, leaders of the Mafia to the promotion of abortion politicians are glorious funerals, and their loved ones to the hope that the deceased made the sky through purgatory. Rome promoted by such faith in itself and to the work of salvation.
      In line with its bureaucratic purgatory gives birth to other practices that the church hierarchy syatem keeps going, the indulgences that gain on such things as making novenas, winning a reduction of their time in purgatory, said or a loved one.
      The problem is that with no real support in the Scriptures, and works against the whole doctrine of salvation by grace, by which the penitent believing soul-regenerating, not reformed. Ie (as Rom. 6 make it clear), the carnal nature is not the object of salvation, as "the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be" (rm . 8:7).
    By contrast, the soul which is indwelt by the Holy Spirit of Christ is enabled to live according to his word as that which yields to him, while the meat is positionally crucified. Therefore, they are not obliged to yield to the sinful nature of our demand, but only to the new nature has given us in Christ. . And while one has faith in Christ effectively, so he will "walk after the Spirit."
    From Purgatory to any function that you must have a sin nature that needs to be purified and reformed, and or the sins that still must be punished.
    The thief on the cross - just a candidate for entry into heaven by their own works or penance - it was with Jesus in paradise that day. Likewise, the Corinthians (who were in faith) - were told that if the Lord returned - even when I lived - they were instantly changed and be with Christ. As 1Ths 4:17 says when talking about land that believers in Christ immediately, "and so shall we ever be with the Lord .."
      There is no distinction made in statements on the condition of believing souls after death among the "super saints" as Paul (who said "absent from the body and be present with the Lord"), and not so holy like super Corinthians.
      And while lost souls face the correct punishment for their sins, the believer becomes the Lord, and later at the Bema seat of Christ may suffer loss of benefits, but this is not an indefinite period in a ; purgatory. "
      For most believers, Christ is compared to see how God might be glorified if we had not tried to take any shortcuts in our walk with the Lord. And what works is not in yieldedness to His Spirit and according to His word will be burned.
    I see that there will be sadness at the loss of rewards that would have glorified our Savior, "Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord to persuade men," If any man's work shall be burned, which would suffer loss, but he himself shall be saved, but so as by fire "(2 Cor 5:11, 1Cor. 3:15). The fire is in relation to his works were burned in the Holy Presence of God to die for us, not a mystical purification personnel.
      (1 Cor 3:11-15) "For other foundation can not establish that the man is defined, which is Jesus Christ. (12) But if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble, (13) Every man's work is evident: on the day the state, because it was highlighted by the fire, and fire is every man's work of what sort it is. (14) If any of the jobs that meet that has built thereon, shall receive a reward. (15) If any of the work shall be burned, to be lost, but he himself shall be saved, but so as by fire. "
      The person who is truly in the Spirit does not really want to sin, wishes he could live sinlessly always in thought, word and action, motivation, and shares in small and large things, and relieved of his sinful flesh that rejoice to live for the Lord without impediment. Glory to God!
    That's why I do not believe that sin could be saved souls in heaven, not because the Constitution are not (the devil could), but for having resisted the world, the flesh and the devil here on earth who does not wish once who have received their hearts desire.
      Can worship God in spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. Phl 3:3

  8. L.C. says:

    Jesus Christ's blood was sufficient for those who believe to be saved. there is nothing man can do now or after death to gain salvation. Purgatory is a myth.

  9. SigGirl says:

    No. There are a lot of confusion based on single scriptura.

  10. Freedom says:

    You got that right. They are trying to read something in Scripture that is not there.
      The first step to Catholic scriptural evidence for the Purgatory is 1 Corinthians 3:15, which reads: "If it burns, he will suffer loss, he is saved, but only as one escaping through the flames." The passage (1 Corinthians 3:12-15) is using an example of things going through fire as a description of believers' works being judged. If our works are of good quality "gold, sliver, costly stones, which pass through the fire unharmed, and we will be rewarded for them. If our works are of poor quality "wood, hay and straw, which will be consumed by fire, and no reward. The passage does not say that believers pass through the fire, but rather a believer that works through the fire. 1 Corinthians 3:15 refers to the believers "through the fire escape," not "being cleansed by the flames."

  11. kitz says:

    In part.Wood, hay, stubble burning and works at Headquarters is another Bema, which is a though.But act immediately and not the soul through the fire. "Passing through the fire" is condemned in Scripture.

  12. J.P. says:

    Purgatory reflects on the lessons Gehenom beans.
      However, hell is something that Christians and Muslims share that Jews have no concept of, and is contrary to the deity Jews believe in.
      How is it that Christians and Muslims see YHVH as malicious, hateful, be sadistic? Of course, not from Judaism.

  13. Big Mama says:

    Huh? Purgatory is where souls go to be saved or not (bapitised), or are stuck in limbo because of some unfinished business. Many spirits who walk on earth in purgatory. I do not know of any scripts that this state and I have not found in the Bible, but that is what has been said to me by the dead who walk among us. Being stuck in the realm of the earth after its death is purgatory.



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