Comments on: Today, I can live as Catholics in the Vatican I and Vatican II? They can be joined together?

By: choko_ca

choko_ca — Wed, 27 May 2009 09:18:09 +0000

I'd like to see this issue translated into English. Not all of you?

By: imacatho

imacatho — Wed, 27 May 2009 09:18:09 +0000

There are Catholics in full communion with the Pope and the Catholic Church and that there are "cafeteria Catholics" who pick and choose what they want to believe and practice. A couple of examples are "Catholics" who are in favor of abortion or "Catholics" who refuse to accept the teachings of Vatican II.
The term "Cafeteria Christians" refers to people who see Christianity as a cafeteria where it is collected and selects only those beliefs that appeal to them and to reject an authentic interpretation of Christian doctrine and teachings of Jesus.
The term "Cafeteria Catholics" is similar. It is used to describe people who disagree with certain teachings of the Catholic Church to the outside, while maintaining an identity as Catholics.
In Los Angeles in 1987, Pope John Paul II said: "It is sometimes claimed that dissent from the magisterium is totally compatible with being a" good Catholic "and poses no obstacle to the reception of the sacraments. This is a grave error that challenges the teaching of bishops in the United States and elsewhere. "
Heresy is the obstinate denial after Baptism of a truth that must be believed with divine and catholic faith.
"Cafeteria Catholics" in the denial of certain truths are at risk of committing heresy.
With love in Christ.

By: Daver

Daver — Wed, 27 May 2009 09:18:07 +0000

I have an idea, not what you're trying to say.
I think I picked up in an environment pro-women priests. However, it is a theological impossibility, and here's why:
Gen. 3:15, Luke 1:26-55, John 19:26, Rev. 12:1 - Mary is the greatest creation of God, was the person closest to Jesus, but Jesus did not choose to be priest. God chose only men to be priests to reflect the complementarity of the sexes. As the man (the royal priest) gives life to the natural woman in the conjugal partnership, the ministerial priest is the supernatural life in the New Covenant sacraments.
Judges 17:10, 18:19 - fatherhood and priesthood are synonymous. Micah says: "Stay with me, and my father and a priest." Fathers / priests give life, and mothers receive and nurture life. This reflects our Father God who gives the life of grace through the priesthood of her Divine Son, and Mother Church receives the life of grace and feeding their children. In short, women can not be priests because women can not be parents.
Mark 16:9, Luke 7: 37-50, John 8:3-11 - Jesus allowed women to join in their unique mission, beyond the glorification of cultural norms. His decision not to order the woman had nothing to do with culture. The writers of the Gospels is also clear that women participate in the ministry of Jesus and, unlike men, never betrayed Jesus. Women have always maintained the highest esteem in the Church (eg, the holiest of the Church and the model of faith is a woman, the constant teaching of the Church on the dignity of motherhood, the Church of understanding of humanity united as the bride of Christ, etc.).
Mark 14:17,20, Luke 22:14 - the language "the twelve" and "apostles," shows Jesus Eucharistic holy priesthood in charge, giving orders to men.
Gen. 14:10, Heb. 5:6,10, 6:20, 7:15,17 - Jesus, the Son of God, is both king and priest after the priest-king Melchizedek. Jesus embodies both the priesthood and monarchy parentage.
Gen. 22:9-13 - as announced, our redemption God chose to be secured by the sacrifice of love that the Son is the Father.
Matt. 26:26, Mark 14:22, Luke 22:19 - because the priest acts in persona Christi in offering to the Father, the priest can not be a woman.
Mark 3:13 - Jesus selected the apostles, "as he desired," according to his will and not according to the demands of their culture. Because Jesus acted according to His will was perfectly united to the Father, we can not criticize Jesus' selection of men to be his priests without criticizing God.
John 20:22 - Jesus breathed only the male apostles, the first bishops, giving them the authority to forgive and retain sins. In fact, the male priesthood of Christianity was a distinction of the priestesses of paganism that existed at the time. A female priesthood would be a return to non-Christian practices. The sacred tradition of a male priesthood and the Church has existed for 2000 years.
1 Cor. 14:34-35 - Paul says a woman is not allowed to preach the word of God in the Church. It has always been the tradition of the Church by the priest or deacon only (ordered a male) to read and preach the Gospel.
1 Tim. 2:12 - Paul also said that a woman is not allowed to hold authority in the teaching of the Church. Can you imagine how much Mary, Mother of God, would have been able to teach Christians about his Son Jesus in the Church? However, he is not allowed to hold this kind of teaching authority in the Church.
Rom. 16:1-2 - while many Protestants point to terminate this verse in the tradition of the Church, the priesthood of a man, Diaconis, like Phoebe, were assistants to the priests (eg the preparation of naked women for a baptism order to avoid scandal). However, these helpers were never ordered.
Luke 2:36-37 - prophetesses, like Anna, the woman who was devoted to religious life, but were not sorted.
Isaiah 3:12 - Isaiah complains that the priests of ancient Israel had their authority usurped by women, and this was at the height of Israel's covenant apostasy.

By: §ὼeétié Ʈὡįŋ Őƒ Ľįḡћŧ ღ❤ღ❤ღ❤ღ

§ὼeétié Ʈὡįŋ Őƒ Ľįḡћŧ ღ❤ღ❤ღ❤ღ — Wed, 27 May 2009 09:18:07 +0000

Forgive me for saying this but I'm not sure what you are asking, can the Vatican I and Vatican II amalgamate?. Or is it in reference to women priests?.
In the world today> Yes I hope so and I do not see why not. As someone who knows both Vatican I and Vatican II Catholic peers, who are one, but there are some minor theological issues that we hope can be resolved in the near future.