Comments on: What Early Christians call themselves - before it was separated from the Protestant Christian Movement of Catholic?

By: imacatho

imacatho — Fri, 08 May 2009 21:13:59 +0000

The Church has referred to itself as the "Catholic Church" at least since 107 CE (about 10 years after the last book of the New Testament was written), when the Greek word "Katholikos" (ie, universal) appears in the Charter of San. Ignatius of Antioch to Smyrnaeans:
"Where the bishop appears, is to stop the crowd, even as Jesus Christ is the Catholic Church." Http: / / http://www.earlychristianwritings.com / te …
We do not know how long they had been using the term "Catholic" before it was included in this letter.
All this was long before the Council of Nicea and the Nicene Creed of 325 CE, which states: "We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church." Http: / / http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/ 07644a.h …
With the exception of a few heretical uprising, almost all Christians are Catholic Christians, until 1054 CE when the Orthodox and Catholic Churches split.
With love in Christ.

By: cristoig

cristoig — Fri, 08 May 2009 21:13:59 +0000

Before the Protestant rebellion against the Church of Christ all Christians in all places and times called themselves Catholics. The term was coined by St. Ignatius, third bishop of Antioch, early in the 2nd century to describe believers in Christ gathered around the bishop. The terms Catholic and Christian, both from the Church, the Catholic Church of Christ.
NEVER Christians separated themselves Catholics, because they can not separate oneself from the Church of Christ is to stop being a Christian. Non-Catholic Christians is not the fullness of truth and practice but still maintain an imperfect union with the Church established by Christ and the apostles. Despite this, you can still receive the grace of God through His Church, the faith and be saved through His divine mercy.
In Christ
Fr Joseph

By: Veto R

Veto R — Fri, 08 May 2009 21:13:59 +0000

Call themselves Christians.
From the second / third centuries, Christians organized a series of bodies of the church, each under a patriarch. There was the church of Rome, Constantnople church, the church in Jerusalem, etc. The church in Rome can dominate the churches of Western Europe. The other churches still exist today, the Orthodox churches (eg the Greek Orthodox Church, Russian Orthodox Church, etc.) and the Coptic Church of Egypt.
Since the story deals mainly with Western Europe, excluding the rest of the Western world, the story about the Christian religion mainly concerns itself with the church in Rome. The Roman Catholic church only means universal (or catholic), church of Rome. You could say you see it governed by the Patriarch of Jerusalem, Jerusalem was the Catholic Church. The Roman Church is still considered as the only legitimate expression of Christianity in Western Europe.
Each of the churches, as mentioned, are governed by a patriarch, or "father." The word "pope" comes from Latin meaning "father." So the Roman Catholic Pope is only the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church. The Roman Church requires a leadership role among Christianity. The demand was resisted by the Orthodox patriarchs, who were willing to allow the Roman Pope to be the first among equals, but not to serve under the Roman Pope. In 1054, the issue caused the great schism in the Roman Church excuminicated Orthodox churches and Orthodox churches excuminicated the Roman Church.
The next major schism occurred in the 16th century after John Calvin and Martin Luther. But, yes, Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox churches are all Christians …

By: Darby

Darby — Fri, 08 May 2009 21:13:59 +0000

Definitely, Catholics are Christians. I have attached a list of articles that the word catholic comes. I am a devout Catholic, and these are well known, reputable sites Católica. In general, please be careful when you get your information as:
"There is more than a hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions of people, however, who hate what they mistakenly believe that the Catholic Church …. As a matter of fact, if you think all Catholics of the falsehoods and lies that were said against the Church, perhaps the hatred of the Church a thousand times more than we do. "Fulton J. Sheen ARZOBISPO - preface RADIO REPLIES

By: Veritatu

Veritatu — Fri, 08 May 2009 21:13:59 +0000

The word "Catholic" has been used by European Christians from at least 2 of the first century (Iraneus Izmir wrote on the floor at around 110 to differentiate between those who followed the successors of the Apostles of whom contended that Jesus' teachings were distorted - the Manichaean Gnostics, among others). Catholic and Christian were interchangeable, but you'll find more to use the source documents "Christian" to describe a believer, a way of life, faith, while "Catholic", in particular, describes the aspects of church life Christian.
Moreover, until and after the Great Schism in Christianity in the West remains a Catholic, while the remainder Christianity in Eastern Orthodox, Catholic took a political connotation to define those who saw the Pope as the successor of St. Peter, while the saw the Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople as his successor. These groups also distinguish themselves as "Latino" and "Greek", even if believers are Russian or German.
It was not until the Reformation in the 16th century that the common person believes that there is a fork - an absolute difference - between "Christians" and "Catholic." This was thanks to a brilliant and ruthless propaganda campaign undertaken by the reformers. Not to say that Catholics do not pay their own, calling on reformers heretics, but the remains of this campaign are mostly Protestant sources.
Consider that some Catholics in the Protestant heretics look like - and those that are considered a bit silly for most of us who do not. However, there is still a considerable number of Protestants (or at least a vocal crowd) that consider Catholics to be anything but Christian. Read all the Jack Chick tract, "National Sunday Law," or any other spiritual pornography and you will see the 16th century propaganda alive and well.
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A thought. If a true born-again Christian is one who believes in Jesus, and not a Roman Catholic faith be born again too?
And whether born-again Christians believe there is no mediator, then why bother to proselytize? Is not that a form of mediation? Should we dismiss every bishop, priest, minister, priest, pastor, prophet and witness of his influence?
Of course I'm being sarcastic. Perhaps the best way to differentiate a real birth and again that is Catholic, while both believe in the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, his birth against all of them and think about Jesus and nothing more, while Catholics see ourselves as Church, a community together in the Body of Christ.

By: captainb

captainb — Fri, 08 May 2009 21:13:59 +0000

We see the term Catholic writing in the early second century, and suggests that this has been in use for some time before that. In other words, not just created in this letter. Comes from the Greek word Katholikos universal.
The false distinction between Christians and Catholics seem to be recent, when people have tried to make a claim to be authentic Christians, using the term to try to distinguish themselves.

By: Bill P

Bill P — Fri, 08 May 2009 21:13:59 +0000

Catholic (with a small or big C) means universal - covering the whole of Christendom. With the large Catholic C refers specifically to the Catholic Church. If you have ever recited the Apostle's Creed, which literally says "I believe in the Holy Catholic (non-small c) church."
As to whether all Protestants are Christians or Catholics are all Christians, is another matter indeed.

By: Jim ((C.A.B.))

Jim ((C.A.B.)) — Fri, 08 May 2009 21:13:59 +0000

Absolutely Catholics are Christians. In fact, Catholicism was at one time (before the split of the Orthodox and Protestant churches), the only form of Christianity. Sadly, Christians today are trying to double what they know is the truth, to deceive those around them.
mseniorpogi - What do you mean, "rebel"? Catholics have never been to the rebels. We were the original Christians. All other Christian churches descended from Catholicism. Please Get your facts straight.

By: Anna P

Anna P — Fri, 08 May 2009 21:13:59 +0000

There were some groups that were never part of the Catholic religion as the church Copotic in Egypt and the Armenian Church in the Caucasus. CCR killed more Christians who have not followed the authority of his church.

By: Danny H C.A.B.

Danny H C.A.B. — Fri, 08 May 2009 21:13:59 +0000

cristoiglesia entitled. The term first appeared in the Catholic 2nd century with Ignatius, referring to the Christian church.
God bless.