Where Does the Catholic idea of Purgatory?
I read the page at a time and can not find a real answer. I found a bunch of pages telling about what is Purgatory and its purpose, but not much about where the idea came from. Help?
- Where Does the Catholic idea of Purgatory?
- Is it true that Catholics created the idea of Purgatory?
- Is there a biblical basis for the idea that 100% of "bad" people go to Purgatory Only?
- The Catholic Pope Who was presented the idea of Purgatory Mindful Jewish Theology?
- Where did the idea of Purgatory a dogma of the Catholic Church?
There is a common misunderstanding of Protestant purgatory. At least one Protestant minister, John Wesley speaks of perfection in this life, but little as possible. He is one of the few who proclaim that one can be sanctified in this life and he left the Moravian Church on this issue after a reprimand by Count Zinzendorf to this teaching.
People already in purgatory due to the receipt of the supernatural in the eternal life to our souls through Baptism makes us part of Christ's body. Those in purgatory have accepted Christ through faith and not rejected by him unrepentant mortal sin. It is a place where one is purified by fire (Mal 3:2). Imagine the joy of being in purgatory, and know they are there because they have passed and the sentence is assured of being in the presence of God in heaven. Purgatory is not eternal destiny, there are only two, heaven or hell.
We must not think of purgatory as a kind of legal punishment for past sins, as they would under the old law. Those in purgatory and new creatures changed by the grace of Christ, are the adopted children and part of the family of God in purgatory receives a final cleaning of the discipline and preparation for the perfection of heaven. Catholics believe that sanctification is a process and not complete when it comes to beliefs. Therefore, purgatory is not a suggestion that the atonement of Christ is not sufficient, but we have not finished our sanctification by the grace of Christ.
Cleaning or sanctification is a gradual process and we must persevere to the end to be saved.
(DRB Mat 10:22) And ye shall be hated by all men for my name, but to persevere to the end will be saved.
(DRB Mat 24:13) But he who shall endure to the end will be saved.
(DRB Mar 13:13) And ye shall be hated by all men for my name. But that will last until the end will be saved.
Catholic soteriology recognizes that some of us the process was not completed with the death or who died with the unrepentant sin.
(Hebrews 9:27 DRB) And that is assigned to men once to die, but after this trial:
The verdict is our eternal destiny and those on whose behalf is the Lamb's book of life, heaven is assured. However, we know that one must be sinless to be in God's presence.
(1Ti 6:14 DRB) that you keep the commandment without spot, blameless until the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
It is possible that no one is willing to be in the presence of our Lord as they might be deficient in spiritual or temporal effects forgiven our sins in the soul which is necessary for some form of purification in order to enter heaven in the presence of God. Since this is a process of purgation is called purgatory, and in accordance with the prophecy of the prophet Habakkuk, who says that only the holy can enter heaven.
(Hab 1:13 DRB) Your eyes are too pure to see the evil, and you can not look to the iniquity. Why lookest you do unjust things, and your peace holdest harmdoers devoureth when the man who is more fair to him?
St. Paul also teaches a process of purgation which can involve suffering in the soul of Christians and in his first letter to the Church of Corinth, which describes the process of purgation after death.
(DRB 1 Cor 3:10) According to God's grace given to me as a wise architect I have laid the foundation and another builds thereon. But all men have in mind what is built thereon.
(DRB 1 Cor 3:11) For other foundation can no man, but what he states, that is Christ Jesus.
(DRB 1 Cor 3:12) But if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble:
(1 Cor 3:13 DRB) All men's work is manifested. For the day of the Lord shall declare, as evidenced in the fire. And the fire is every man's work, what type it is.
(DRB 1 Cor 3:14) If anyone's work abide, which has built on this, get a reward.
(DRB 1 Cor 3:15) If any work recording Mans, who shall suffer loss, but he himself shall be saved, but so as by fire.
St. Paul speaks figuratively of the results of sin remaining in the soul is like the "wood, hay and straw and burned away in the final purification process that is received in the presence of the Lord. St. Paul also speaks of one of the works such as gold, silver and precious stones, which are refined and stored.
This passage reminds me of what Christ said in the next, indicating that some sins can be forgiven after death.
(DRB Mat 12:32) Then speak a word against the Son of man can be forgiven, but to speak against the Holy Spirit, you will not be forgiven neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Purgatory is also related to the parable of the unmerciful servant who is following …
DRB Mat 18:32) Then his lord called him and told him: Thou wicked servant, I forgave the entire debt, because you besoughtest me:
(Mat 18:33 DRB) then you should not have compassion for your partner in public, even when I had pity on thee?
(DRB Mat 18:34) And his lord being angry, delivered him to the torturers until he paid the entire debt.
After telling the parable of Christ is emphasized in his message not to be confused with this warning … … ..
(DRB Mat 18:35) So also my heavenly Father will do to you, if not each forgive your brother from your heart.
Christ is warning us of the danger of a hard heart or anger that we are willing to forgive others. We must recognize that these are the signs and the example of a defect in need of purging the soul so that it may be imperfect in the presence of God and live in the glory. (See CCC 1030-1032)
In Christ
Fr Joseph
Unlike the common misconception, purgatory is a place between heaven and hell, nor is it a place of torment. Purgatory is a place where souls are saved and to clean the stain of any sin before the enter the kingdom of God.
A more appropriate question would be, "Where do the fundamentalists get the idea that it is perfectly fine for a soul in a state of sin to be in the presence of the Lord?"
It is based on Jewish and biblical idea of hell. As I read, most Jews believe that Hell is where the soul will be purified punnished for up to 12 months. (Catholics, not to speculate on the time period.) Sheol (hell) is considered a separate place.
Note that this is part of the tradition that Christ would have been aware of. That does not mean that our understanding of it is perfect, but there is evidence of Scripture and tradition there.
This is an example of the Jewish belief in Hell. It is a very good relationship: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.j …
Here is a good Catholic / Bible interpretation answer page. If you just go to a link, however, look at the other. That's better. http://www.catholicapologetics.org/ap090 …
According to Catholic belief, immediately after death, a person is put to trial in which the eternal destiny of the soul is specified. Some are eternally united with God in heaven, it is often projected as a paradise of eternal joy. Conversely, others are destined for hell, a state of eternal separation from God, often as a fiery place of punishment.
Besides accepting the states of heaven and hell, Roman Catholicism envisages a third state before being admitted to heaven. According to Roman Catholic doctrine, some souls are not sufficiently free from sin and its consequences to enter the state of the sky, at once, nor are they so sinful as to be destined for hell either. Such souls, ultimately destined to be united with God in heaven, you must first endure purgatory, a state of purification. In purgatory, souls "achieve the holiness necessary to enter into the joy of heaven."
Catholics make a distinction between two types of sin. Mortal sin is a "grave violation of God's law" that "turns the man away from God," and if not redeemed by repentance and forgiveness of God, which leads to exclusion from the kingdom of Christ and the death eternal hell.
Instead, the venial sin (meaning "forgivable" sin) does not set in direct opposition to the will and friendship of God, "and yet" that constitutes a moral disorder, "does not deprive the sinner of friendship with God, and consequently eternal happiness in heaven.
According to Roman Catholicism, the forgiveness of sins and the purification can occur during the life-for example, in the sacrament of baptism and the sacrament of Penance. However, if this is not achieved the purification of life, venial sins can be purified after death. The specific name given to the cleansing of sin after death is "purgatory".
Here is your Bible verses … at least the few I learned in school is I have not yet learned
Revelation 21:27 imperfecta nothing between heaven
So what do you think this saying … (you have sin in your soul can not enter heaven!) No!
1 John 5:16-17 If anyone sees his brother sinning, if not the mortal sin, you must pray to God and he will give you life. This is only for those whose sin is not mortal. There is no such thing as a deadly sin, about which I am not saying you should pray.
All irregularities is sin, but sin is not mortal.
Difference between mortal and venial sin (wrong doing is sin, but there is no sin that is mortal)
2 Maccabees 12:46 So made atonement for the dead who could be freed from this sin.
Judas prayed for the dead, which is why we pray for the dead, because if they are in Purgatory, prayer helps them get to heaven
Matthew 5:25-26 solved quickly, while his opponent on the way to court with him. Otherwise your opponent will give you the judge and the judge will provide guards and was thrown into prison.
Amen, I say to you, you will not be released until you have paid the last penny.
Speaks for itself …
Matthew 12:32 And he who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven either in this age or the age to come.
1 Cor 3:15 The person is saved, only through fire.
Saving … through the fire (it is said that purgatory is like hell just on a smaller scale)
2 Timothy 1:16-18 May the Lord grant mercy to the family of Onesiphorus because it often gave me the heart and is not ashamed of my chains.
But when he came to Rome, he searched for me and I quickly found.
May the Lord grant him to find mercy of the Lord in that day. And you know very well the services rendered at Ephesus.
The idea of Purgatory as shown by the previous answers from the Scriptures which means people have always practiced this.
This is where you can see the Catholic Bible free if you want to see some of the above verses for you: http://www.vatican.va/archive/bible/inde …
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++…
The four last things are death, Reckoning, Heaven and Hell. Purgatory is a state of heavenbound.
Democracy may be a good form of government if government officials are not corrupt, as for monarchies. Christ, Catholics believe is the true king.
Because some people abused the practice of prayer for the dead, not all prayers for the dead from evil. I can go to any church and ask a priest to schedule a Mass intention for $ 5 or $ 10 and only one of these grants can be taken to Mass.
I can also pray in my house of the deceased as I like my cousin's son died last week at age 24. If someone wants, can offer a prayer for James Gutting. I can also visit any cemetery and pray for the dead. Catholics believe that they know of our prayers and pray for our good themselves as intercessors to God.
This is how it explains Gregorio Magno purgatory:
"608 St. Gregory the Great, Dial. 4, 39: PL 77, 396, cf. Mt 12:31.
Text cited:
San Gregorio Magno, Dialogues 4, 39
In the Gospel of our Lord says: "Finish the trip, while you still have light." (John 12:35) And in the words of the prophet He declares, "In an acceptable time I have heard, and on the day of salvation I helped you. " (Isaiah 49:8) St. Paul's in this comment is: "And here is the grace period on the day of salvation has arrived." (2 Cor 6:2) Solomon also said, " Anything you can turn your hand, you can see what you have, that will not work, nor reason, nor knowledge, nor wisdom in the world in which The Netherlands are going. "(Eccl 9:10) And David adds," For his mercy is forever. "(Psalm 117:1) From these citations it is clear that each will be presented to the judge as he was when departed this life. However, there must be a cleansing fire before the ruling, because of some minor flaws that may remain far from being purged. Christ, the truth, saying that if anyone blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven "neither in this world or the world to come '? (Mt 12:32) From this statement we learn that some sins can be forgiven in the world and some in the world to come. Because, if denied a pardon for sin, we come to the logical conclusion that given to others. So it should be, as I said, a small transgressions, such as persistent inactivity talking, immoderate laughter, or fault in the care of the property, which can hardly be managed without guilt even by those who know to avoid the defects or errors due to ignorance on not very important. All these bugs are annoying for the soul after death if they are not forgiven, while one is still alive. Because, when St. Paul says that Christ is the foundation, added: "But on this foundation will be based on different men gold, silver, precious stones, wood, grass or straw. . . and the fire will test the quality of each man of the workforce. He will receive a reward, if the building was added on stands firm! if it burns, it will be the loser, and yet he himself will be saved, if only men are saved by passing through the fire. "(1 Cor 3:12-15)
While this may be taken to signify the fire of suffering that we experience in life, you can also refer to the cleansing fire of the world to come, and if accepted in this respect, we must weigh carefully the words of St. Paul . When he says that men are saved by passing through the fire, which does not refer to men who build on this base in iron, bronze or lead, is in the mortal sins that are indestructible by fire. Specifies the base to build on this wood, grass and straw, ie, trivial or venial sins that fire consumed easily. In this regard we must also remember that the world will not come clean even the slightest of flaws, unless it has received a clearance through good deeds in this life.
Matthew 12:31
Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. "
That comes from a reference note of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here:
Here's a sample:
After the death of purification by fire
Heb. 12:29 - God is a consuming fire (of love in the sky, of purgation in purgatory, or of suffering and damnation in hell).
1 Cor. 3:10-15 - works are judged after death and tested by fire. Some works have been lost, but the person is still saved. Paul refers to the state of purgation called purgatory. The venial sins (bad works) that were committed are burned after death, but the person is brought to salvation. This state after death can not be heaven (no one with venial sins is present) or hell (there is forgiveness and salvation).
1 Cor. 3:15 - "If any man's work burn, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only through fire." The phrase "suffer loss" in Greek is "zemiothesetai" ;. The root word is "zemioo" which also refers to punishment. The construction zemiothesetai "is used in the former. 21:22 and Prov. 19:19 which refers to punishment (from the Hebrew "Anash" which means "punish" or "penalty"). Therefore, this verse shows that there is an expiation of temporal punishment after our death, but the person is still saved. This can not mean the sky (there is no punishment in heaven) and this can not mean hell (the possibility of sin no longer exists and the person is not saved).
1 Cor. 3:15 - In addition, Paul writes "he himself will be saved," but only "(or" so ") and the fire." "He will be saved" in Greek is "sothesetai" (which means eternal salvation). The phrase "but only" (or "tan") in Greek is "hout", meaning "the same way." This means that man is both eternally rewarded and eternally saved from the same way by the fire.
1 Cor. 3:13 - when Paul writes about God revealing the quality of each man's work by fire and purifying him, this purification refers to his sins (not only their good deeds). Protestants, in attempting to disprove the reality of purgatory, argue that Paul was writing only about rewarding good works, and not punishing sins (because punishing a man and purification of sins would be admitting that there a purgatory).
1 Cor. 3:17 - but this verse proves that the purgation after death about punishing sin. That is, destroy the temple of God is a bad job, which is a mortal sin, which leads to death. 1 Cor. 3:14,15,17 - purgatory thus reveals the state of the law (v.14), state of venial sin (V.15) and the state of mortal sin (V.17), all which are judged after death.
1 Peter 1:6-7 - Peter refers to this purgatorial fire to test the fruits of our faith.
Jude 1:23 - the people who are saved are being snatched from the flames. People are already saved if they are in heaven, and there is no possibility of salvation if they are in hell. These people are being led to heaven from purgatory.
Rev. 3:18-19 - Jesus refers to this fire as it refines the gold that loves if they repent of their sins. This is in the context of after death, because Jesus, who spoke from the sky, gives the white dress of salvation after the purgation of fire (both after death).
Dan 12:10 - Daniel refers to this refining by saying many purified themselves are white and refined.
Wis. 3:5-6 - the dead are disciplined and tested by fire to receive their heavenly reward. This is the fire of purgatory.
Sir 2:5 - for gold is tested in fire, and acceptable for men in the furnace of humiliation.
Zac. 13:8-9 - God says 2 / 3 will perish, and 1 / 3 was left alive, into the fire, and refined as silver and tested like gold. Those who die go to hell, and there is need for improvement in the sky, so it is being refined in purgatory.
Mal. 3:2-3 - God also refers to the purification of the righteous in their death.
The Bible. Specifically Matthew 5:48, 5:26, 12:32, 12:36, Hebrews 12:14, James 3:2, 1:14-15, Revelation 21:27, 1 John 5:16-17, 2 Samuel 12 :13-14, 2 Maccabees 12:44-46, 1 Corinthians 3:15, 15:29-30, 1 Peter 3:18-20, 4:6 and 2 Timothy 1:16-18, among other verses.
First, a definition is in order: What is Purgatory?
Purgatory is not Hell, minus a few torments and degrees Fahrenheit, which is not the sky, less joy. It is not a "final third" of souls. Purgatory is where souls are cleansed of whether the effects of sin before they can see the holy face of Almighty God. Revelation 21:27 tells us that "… nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]. "
Daniel 12:2, Matthew 12:32, 1 Corinthians 3:13-15, 2 Timothy 1:16-18, Hebrews 12:14, Hebrews 12:22-23, 1 Peter 4:6 and Revelation 21:10, 27 all speak of Purgatory in their telling of the need of purification, prayer for the dead, the preaching of Christ to the dead, or how nothing unclean will see God.
prayers for the dead (Tobit 12:12, 2 Maccabees 12:39-45),
Purgatory (Wisdom 3:1-7)
intercession of dead saints (2 Maccabees 15:14),
and the intercession of angels as intermediaries (Tobit 12:12-15).
Even the Talmud speaks of Purgatory:
Saturday 33b:
"The trial of the wicked in purgatory is twelve months."
Rosh Hashanah 16b-17a:
"It has taught the school of Shammai says:" There will be three groups on the Day of Reckoning (Yom haDin):
The fair will be fully recorded and sealed at once for eternal life. The wicked will be fully registered and sentenced both to Gehinnom, as they say: "And many who sleep in the dust of the earth rise up, some to everlasting life and some to shame and eternal rejection" [Daniel 12 : 2]. Among the Gehinnom go and stand and shout, as they say: "I will bring the third part through the fire, and improve as silver is refined and tested as gold is tested. It will call on my name and I will respond to them "[Zechariah 13:9]
Rabbi Shammai (50 BC - 30 AD), one of the two great masters of early Rabbinic Judaism, is also registered as Zechariah 13:9 construed as a reference to a state of purification after death. Isaiah 66:15-16 and Malachi 3:2-3 is interpreted in rabbinic literature as referring to the purgatorial process, and the same theme is reflected in Wisdom 3:1-7 and II Maccabees 12:43-45 both contained in the Deuterocanonical
That there are temporal effects of sin is evident if one considers that even those who have been baptized, who have a deep and intimate relationshp with Jesus who is "elected" or "saved / is saved," or what be subject to pain, work, death and disease.
The best way to understand the idea that it is already forgiven, but still have to be cleaned from the effects of sin is by analogy: imagine that you are the father of a 7-year-old boy who steals a chocolate bar from local supermarkets. The child is repentant, in tears, crying apology. You, being the good parent (as God is our Father!) Forgive that children love him and show him and his mercy. But being a good parent means that you are also fair and children are expected to return to the store. Purgatory is God's way of forgiving us, loving us, shows us his mercy and justice - and what makes us "back shop." Can you imagine what would happen to the son of a father who never that children are expected to "return the store" (especially when that same parent believed also that there was nothing that children can do to become "disinherited," as in "once saved, always saved" ; doctrine)?
Purgatory is His way of ensuring that Revelation 21:27 is true that there is nothing dirty and see the sky. It is only through the sacrifice of Christ that shows us this mercy! It is Christ and Christ alone Who allows us access to the Father.
Different levels of purgatory. The people who showed great mercy to the souls in purgatory, while on earth, are much more for God's mercy when they are in purgatory. This can be reduced through suffering or reduced through the duration of their purgatory.
Some people suffer a lot in purgatory. Some are seriously troubled by the fire. Some are forced to use handcuffs on fire. Others suffer from poverty, living in shacks in horrible weather conditions. Others suffer painful ulcers of the mouth of the commission of the sins of speech. Many saints have written a moment that purgatory is so horrible that it seems to last for many, many years.
Mary, San Jose and San Miguel often come to visit purgatory. Providing comfort to people who are dedicated to lifelong.
People in purgatory can be helped by the prayers of those on earth. The most effective prayer to help the souls in purgatory, is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass The Rosary and devotion to the Holy injuries are also very effective.
Many souls suffer in purgatory for a long time because they have no one to pray for them. Mary has told us in his appearances that the average length of a person in purgatory is 30 to 40 years. He also said that most people go to Purgatory, the second most go to hell, and very few go directly to heaven.
People suffer in purgatory with newspapers consolations. They occasionally show the visions of heaven. Those in purgatory suffer voluntarily for the love of God. Unlike the hell, in purgatory no despair.
To avoid purgatory, I recommend spreading the devotion to the Seven Sorrows of Mary. See promise # 7 below:
The Seven Sorrows of Mary are:
1. The prophecy of Simeon
2. The Flight into Egypt
3. Loss of the Child Jesus in the Temple
4. Mary Meets Jesus as He carries his Cross
5. The Crucifixion and Death of Jesus
6. The body of Jesus is taken down from the cross and placed in the arms of Mary
7. Jesus is placed in the Tomb.
Mary wants us to pray a Hail Mary while meditating on each of the Seven Sorrows, a total of seven Hail Marys. She has made the following promises to those who do this every day:
1. I will grant peace to their families.
2.They be enlightened about the divine mysteries.
3. I go to console their pain and I will accompany them in their work.
4. I'll give you everything you ask in that does not oppose the adorable will of my Divine Son or the sanctification of their souls.
5. I will defend their spiritual battles with the infernal enemy and protect them at every moment of his life.
6. I visibly help them at the time of his death, will face his mother.
7. I have obtained this grace from my Divine Son, that those who propagate this devotion to my tears and Dolors, taken directly from this earthly life to eternal happiness since all their sins will be forgiven and my Son and I will be their eternal consolation and joy.
Of the Bible.
The Bible says all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
Therefore, we are all filthy.
The Bible says that nothing unclean can enter heaven.
Therefore, none of us can go to heaven without being cleaned.
The Bible says that Jesus died for our sins and that through His blood, to be washed whiter than snow.
Therefore, sometime between when we die as sinners, and when we enter heaven we must be washed by the blood of Jesus and purged from all sin.
This is purgatory.
You will need a Catholic Bible. It's in the book 2 Maccabees. You will not find on any Martin Luther's Protestant Bible because this book removed to support their doctrine. I did not want his followers to believe in Purgatory.
From the book of 2 Maccabees, for one.
Here: http://catholic.com/library/Purgatory.as … that all the talks on purgatory and ready for the Scripture about half.
try these
Rev.21: 27
Heb.12: 14
1 Cor. 3:15
1 Peter 1:7
2 macc.12: 42.46
Matt 12:32
I'm tired of explaining what you have your doubts when you get there and if your lucky.
Ave you received some very good answers to your question!
The Origins of the Doctrine of Purgatory
It is the apocryphal book entitled The Maccabees integral which contains the principles of the doctrine of purgatory. In a dark passage, the narrator says it's a good thing to pray for the dead. In these few words are the complex and fascinating origins of the doctrine of Purgatory.
It's like the Doctrine of the Trinity, which took a couple of words and their meaning has changed to something that you believe is not true.
Out of a coma.
"Truly I tell you, today I will meet you in paradise."
"Truly I say to you this day, which will meet in Paradise."
They could not understand how God can be so merciful as to forgive all our sins ….
… and apparently they forgot the words of Jesus on the cross … "It is finished."
No page of the Bible mentions the original sin, when it was starting to get?