Comments on: Why Protestants do not believe that Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist?

By: Squirrel

Squirrel — Sun, 10 May 2009 09:15:56 +0000

Catholic girl gave a great answer. It is a matter of biblical interpretation. However, funny enough, every time I go to take the Eucharist in the Catholic church, I feel a deep reverence and a sense that I am getting the real presence of Jesus. Unfortunately, good as other names, is simply a substitute sacharine and conterfeit in other churches.

By: tanneke

tanneke — Sun, 10 May 2009 09:15:56 +0000

Using private interpretations of the Bible. Accordingly, the sermon of the bread of life and all of John 6 is just a metaphor. That is a shame, because the Greek word means, literally, to eat, and people started to leave when he gave that lesson, because they disliked and did not understand - it was for them to cannibalism, I knew that was not using a metaphor . (John 6:60-68)
If Jesus is only understood as a metaphor, why so many of his followers to get up and leave it? Why not call on Jesus again and say, "No, no. I am speaking in parables again! Come back! "But he did not. He meant what he said.

By: dc2354

dc2354 — Sun, 10 May 2009 09:15:56 +0000

I am a Catholic convert. I was a Protestant for many many years, but not practicing all the way. Even the use of the word Eucharist in my knowledge. Communion is not given out every Sunday and is only saved for special events. Although I have heard that is a bad habit and you want to change. They are not as traditional as we are. We continue all aspects of the T, while pursuing their own versions. That's why you go to every Protestant church teaches something different. No doctrine, except the Bible and the Bible can be interpreted in many ways.

By: Elohist

Elohist — Sun, 10 May 2009 09:15:56 +0000

Jesus did not keep the Eucharist. Let's take a look in the Bible.
Matthew 26: 17On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?"
18He answered: "Go to the city to a man and tell him, 'The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I shall celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house. "19So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover.
Jesus and his disciples were about to eat the Passover.
Matthew 26: 26While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat this is my body."
27Then took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying: "Drink of it all. 28This is my blood of the [b] covenant, which is shed for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Only by keeping the Passover of the New Covenant we can receive eternal life as Jesus said.
Unfortunately, the Catholic Church abolished the Easter in 325 AD and replaced it with communion.
God festivities were removed one by one by the authority of Satan, as prophesied in Daniel 7:25.
Unfortunately, some people hate the truth and insist on maintaining the man-made traditions rather than the commands of God.
This is why the second coming of Christ has come in recent days and has restored the Passover as prophesied in the Bible.

By: Freedom

Freedom — Sun, 10 May 2009 09:15:56 +0000

In Jewish thought, the bread is equated with the Torah, and "eat it" was the reading and understanding of God (see Deuteronomy 8:3). For example, the apocryphal book of Sirach says: " 'He who eats me still hungry, drink to me a thirst for more, but that is because I was not put to shame, that I never fail . All this is true of the book of the covenant of the Most High, the law Moses commanded us as a legacy for the community of Jacob "(Sirach 24:20-22). Quoting Sir here is not to approve the Scripture, but that only serves to illustrate how the Jewish people thought of the Mosaic Law. It is important to understand the equation with the bread of the Torah in order to assess real Jesus.
In John 6, Jesus is actually telling the people that He is superior to the Torah (cf. Jn 6:49-51), and the whole system of the Mosaic Law. In step Sir, it is argued that those who eat of the Law "is still hunger and thirst for more," the language which is reflected in Jesus when He said: "Whoever comes to me will never be hungry, he who believes in Me will never thirst "(John 6:35). Jesus is not commanding people literally eat his flesh and drink his blood, ie to the core of Christian doctrine: belief in Jesus ( "The Work of God is this: to believe in he has sent, "John 6:29, emphasis added). Therefore, the Catholic interpretation of John 6 is unbiblical.
Secondly, there is a clear analogy in John 6, the days of Moses and manna to eat. In the days of Moses, manna was God for the provision of food for the Israelites, as they wandered in the desert. In John 6, however, Jesus said to be the true manna, the bread of heaven. With this statement Jesus be God, the full provision for salvation. Manna was God's provision for the release of hunger. Jesus is the God of liberation from damnation. Just as the manna that has been consumed to preserve the life of the Israelites, so Jesus has to be consumed (total amount received by faith) for the salvation that is received.
It is very clear that Jesus refers to himself as the Bread of Life, and encouraged his followers to eat his flesh in John 6. But we do not need to conclude that Jesus was teaching what the Catholics have been referred to as transubstantiation. The Lord's Supper / Christian Communion / Holy Eucharist had not been created yet. Jesus did not institute the Eucharist / Mass / Lord's Supper until John chapter 13. Therefore, the continuation of the Lord's Supper in John 6 is unjustified. As indicated above, it is better to understand this passage to reach the light of Jesus, in faith, for salvation. When we receive Him as Savior, putting all our trust in Him, we are "The consumption of meat and drink his blood." His body was broken (his death) and his blood was shed to provide for our salvation. 1 Corinthians 11:26, "For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, which proclaim the Lord's death until He comes."

By: ?h? U?#??!#? ?am?

?h? U?#??!#? ?am? — Sun, 10 May 2009 09:15:56 +0000

because they are turning it into an idol

By: Yage

Yage — Sun, 10 May 2009 09:15:56 +0000

I somehow feel the Eucharist is being mass produced in Chinese factories.

By: JoFo

JoFo — Sun, 10 May 2009 09:15:55 +0000

Who cares what they think Protestants or Roman Catholics or anyone else for that matter? We should care what God says. Apart from Christ, have found one without sin or error yet? Then care what God says His word is pure and has no error.
Since the Spirit of Christ or God only dwells in God's own people, how could natural foods have any effect or to that?
Why is it necessary to be present in the bread and wine, and if He is present in person?
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so, the Spirit of God dwell in you. But if any man the Spirit of Christ, he is none of yours.
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father and He will give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world can not receive, because it is not, nor knows him: but ye know him, because it dwells with you and be in you.
1Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God and that God's Spirit dwells in you?
6:19 What? Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
And many others …
It is quite absurd that God is actually the house with a person by his Spirit that he may need physical food!
Have you noticed how they have been left out the most important appointment when John verse 6? In other words, that are clearly misquoting.
Verse 63 is the spirit that raises beef profiteth nothing: the words you speak are spirit and life.
This according to John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink, but justice and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.
Luke 17:21 And they say, Lo here! or, there is! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Christ is saying clearly that is not the physical but the spiritual life that He is talking about. Only things of the Spirit can give life to the spirit. The words that he is being used to convey spiritual truth, namely that only through the cross, what are your flesh and blood, which we receive spiritual life. At that time had not really happened on the cross so that some people misunderstood him, John 6 / 62. His body was broken on the cross for us and his blood was shed for the forgiveness of our sins, the blood is the life of the body. That is what the breaking of bread and the cup of wine represents.
Through faith in the forgiveness of our sins by Christ's death on the cross and resurrection we receive the true saving faith, which is brought to us by the work of the Spirit of God who comes to bring to life and living us. Nothing less is acceptable to God. (Even in the passage indicates that Christ the new covenant, even less when they know God and be taught by God Himself - John 6:45 is written in the prophets, and taught to all of God. Everything man therefore that has heard and learned from the Father comes to me.
The reference is to the prophets, especially Jeremiah 31/31-33 mentioned several times in the New Testament.)
Then he refuses to take himself and the cross daily and follow Christ Lucas 9 / 23, to live in obedience to the Spirit and live in spiritual life instead of the old carnal self. Obviously, not a physical cross! How to carry a cross to do anything physical absolute fools of us but also be practical impossible?
These are all orders of God to put to death our old nature selfish. It is God's work and orders and we accept it and rely on the strengthening of the Spirit of God for us. We take the cross when exercising our option to accept the work of God in our lives and to choose the way of God more than we do.
If you think that changes the bread into the body and blood Christ came to be fooled by a ridiculous superstition by people who do not have God or Spirit and palm for a deceptive superstition to maintain control over you. That religion is all about its employees maintain their hold on you.
Although it seems a bit extreme and messy, call their bluff and vomit and see that, if proved that to you!
Do not be so silly.
Carefully examine the Scriptures and see.
God will show you if you search for the man and stop listening to men and what men say.
Let God speak through His word the Bible.

By: Celestian Vega

Celestian Vega — Sun, 10 May 2009 09:15:55 +0000

He also said that the water was alive, but I do not think I'm in the shower every day.

By: Meatwad (off the chain)

Meatwad (off the chain) — Sun, 10 May 2009 09:15:55 +0000

Lutherans do.