Comments on: Hey Catholics, do not understand some things?

By: imacatho

imacatho — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:20:46 +0000

Santos + +
We share the view of Catholics in the Communion of Saints with many other Christians, including Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, Episcopal and Methodist Churches.
The Communion of Saints is the belief that all saints are intimately related in the Body of Christ, a family. When it dies and goes to heaven, do not let this family.
Everyone in heaven or on their way to heaven are saints, you, me, my deceased grandmother, Mary, the mother of Jesus, Mother Teresa and Pope John Paul II.
As part of this family, you can ask your family and friends living here on earth to pray for you. Or, you can also ask the Blessed Virgin Mary, St. Andrew, or your deceased grandmother living in heaven to pray for you.
Prayer to the saints in heaven is simple communication, not worship.
And the prayer of the saints is not optional required.http: / / http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1s …
Purgatory + +
The concept of purgation is hinted in the Bible. Here are a couple of places:
"But if someone's work is burned up, it will suffer a loss, the person is saved, but only through fire." 1 Cor 3:15
"Thus the authenticity of their faith, more precious than gold which is perishable evidence, though by fire, may be praise, glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ." 1 Peter 1:7
Is it perfect now? Most people would say no.
Will it be perfect in heaven? Most people believe so.
Purgatory (or purgation) is the process of God's love changing our imperfect in the same land in the perfect in heaven. Depending on the amount of change required by different people, this may be a little easier or process. Everyone in purgatory is on its way to heaven. I do not think Mother Teresa of Calcutta had a very hard time of it.
Sources of the Doctrine + +
The Catholic Church not only the use of Scripture, the basis of the doctrine. The early Catholic church existed before and during the time the New Testament was written (by Catholics).
Catholics also believe that the Holy Spirit was guiding the early church (and is now rector of the church) to make the correct choice on things like
- The Holy Trinity (which is only hinted at in the Bible)
- Go to church on Sunday instead of Saturday (which is actually directly against one of the Ten Commandments)
- What books to include in the New Testament?
- How do our very imperfect on earth comes to be perfect in heaven?
This second source of doctrine is called Apostolic Tradition.http: / / http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1s …
+ With love in Christ.

By: Sentinel (TRC)

Sentinel (TRC) — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:20:46 +0000

Go to,
http://www.scripturecatholic.com
By the way they should know that only the body dies and goes to the grave, the soul and spirit return to God, to the souls in heaven we can ask for your prayers on our behalf.

By: AgathaCr

AgathaCr — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:20:46 +0000

Praying to saints and Mary is like asking a good friend of yours who is on the board of director general, who are like "teacher pets" for him to cut a break. "Hey, you know the Big Guy, could you put in a good word for me?"
The whole world lives in the soul. What you're thinking is "talk to the dead around a crystal ball" is not about that.
We can not prove you hear our prayers. Suppose that we are praying to win the lottery but you never do. Well, maybe that just means that no response. Suppose that the sentence that someone is in a snowstorm. A few hours later a cop show and said, "Wow I am surprised that I found, if not for____________"
We believe in Purgatory, because what we do! It is a place to purify our souls, if not perfect to go straight to heaven, but not bad enough to go to hell. People have prayed for those in purgatory, and some have appeared (through the grace of God) to be seen and to talk to someone. We have the words of the many saints (while they were alive and were not saints yet)
"Because if on the basis of Christ that have built not only gold and silver and precious stones (1 Corinthians 3), but also of wood and straw and stubble, what do you expect when the soul separates from the body? Could enter into heaven with your wood and hay and stubble gorge and therefore the kingdom of God, or because of these obstacles and still not receive any reward for their gold and silver and precious stones? Neither is right. It follows that you are committed to the fire will burn the light materials, for our God to those who can comprehend heavenly things is called a cleansing fire. But this fire consumes not the creature, but what the creature has himself built, wood and hay and stubble. It is evident that the fire destroys the wood of our transgressions and then returns to us the reward of our great works. "(P. G., XIII, col. 445, 448).
Furthermore, there is no faith.

By: suspendo

suspendo — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:20:46 +0000

In fact, the church has closed Purgatory. lol.
We pray to the saints, because prayer is no more mysterious communication. And Jesus says that our God is a God of life, not the dead. So what's wrong with asking older, more experienced saints to pray for us and our needs? Do not ask your friends to pray for you the earth? This is no different.
As to how we can hear, I guess it depends on whether the prayers are answered …

By: Daver

Daver — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:20:46 +0000

Reverence / honor of the saints, intercessory prayer offerings to the Saints, Purgatory - in fact everything that is in the Bible: Veneration / Honor de los Santos Matt. 18:10 - the angels in heaven always behold the face of God. We revere for its great dignity and union with God. Matt. 15:4, Luke 18:20, Eph. 6:2-3 Exodus 20:12, Lev. 19:3, Deut. 5:16 - was commissioned to honor our father and mother. Luke 1:28 - worships the angel Gabriel to Mary to declare his "Hail full of grace." The angel heavenly honors human Mary, for her perfection of grace is superior to the angels. Romans 13:7 - let's give the honor to be honored. When we honor the sons of God, honor God, He is the source of all honor. 1 Cor. 4:16 - the most important form of veneration of saints is "imitate" the saints, as Paul commands us to do. 1 Cor. 11:1 - again, Paul says, "Be imitators of me, and I of Christ." The ultimate goal of veneration is imitation. Phil. 2:25-29 - Paul teaches us to honor Epaprhoditus almost died for the faith. How much should honor those saints who did not die for the faith! Phil. 3:17 - Paul says to imitate him and others, which is the object of veneration. Veneration is not worship. 1 Thess. 1:6 - Paul says to the Thessalonians, "You became imitators of us and the Lord." This is the purpose of worship. 2 Thess. 3:7 - Paul says that the Thessalonians should imitate him and other bishops. Hebrews 3:3 - Jesus is worthy of more glory and honor to Moses. This does not mean that the saints are not worthy of the glory and honor. Instead, it shows that the holy people are worthy of honor and glory of God's goodness. Heb. 6:12 - the author teaches us to be imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises. Heb. 13:7 - we must imitate the faith of our faithful leaders. We pray for her intercession and veneration for his sanctity. James 5:10-11 - James teaches us to take heart from the examples of the prophets and Job, the suffering endured. 1 Peter 2:17 - Peter teaches us to honor all men, love of brotherhood, fear God, honor the emperor. Not living with Christ in heaven deserve the honor? Catholics believe they do, and honor the holidays, as well as honor those who live by the celebration of his birthday. Gen. 19:1 - Lot reveres the two angels in Sodom, bowing himself with his face on the floor. Gen. 42:6 - Joseph's brothers bow before Joseph with the face to the ground. This is worship, not worship. Exodus 28:2 - is especially important to honor the religious leaders. Holy garments of Aaron to give dignity and honor. Lev. 19:32 - we must also honor "the face of an old man." When the elderly die in Christ, we must continue to honor them, because death does not separate from us or the love of Christ. 1 Sam. 28:14 - Saul bows before Samuel with his face to the ground in reverence. 2 Chron. 32:33 - Hezekiah was honored at his death. We honor our brothers and sisters in the Lord. Lord. 44:1-2 - we must give praise and honor to whom the Lord apportioned great glory. This is our family in Christ. God responds to our wishes and subordinates Mediation / intercessory prayer 1 Tim 2:1-2 - because Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5), many Protestants deny the Catholic belief that the saints on earth and in heaven can mediate our name. But before the teaching of Paul about Jesus as a "mediator," Paul urges supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be for everyone. Paul is therefore appealing to the mediation of others, in addition to Christ, the only mediator. Why? 1 Tim 2:3 - because this subordinate mediation is good and acceptable to God our Savior. Because God is our Father and we are His children, God invites us to participate in the role of Christ as mediator. 1 Tim. 2:5 - therefore, although Jesus is the only mediator between God and man, there are many intercessors (subordinate mediators). 1 Cor. 3:9 - God invites us to participate in the work of Christ because we are God's "fellow workers" and a family in the body of Christ. God wants his children to participate. The term used to describe "fellow workers" is sunergoi "which literally means, synergists, or cooperators with God in salvific matters. God does not need co-workers? Of course not, but this shows how much of Him as the Father loves his children. God wants us to work with him. Mark 16:20 - this is another example of how the Lord worked with them "(" sunergountos). God cooperates with us. His eternal love, inviting our participation. Rom. 8:28 - God "in the works for the good" (the Greek is "eis sunergei Agathon") those who love Him. We work as subordinate mediators. 2 Cor. 6:1 - "working together" (the Greek is "sunergountes") with him, do not accept his grace in vain. God allows us to participate in its work, because it does not need our help but because He loves us and wants us to exalt His Son. It's like the father who allowed his son join him in carrying groceries into the house. The father does not need help, but the child is invited to help raise the child in dignity and love. Heb. 12:1 - the "cloud of witnesses" (NEPhA marturon), which are surrounded by a large amphitheater witnessed the race from the earth, and actively participate and encourage us (the riders), in our race to salvation. 1 Peter 2:5 - we are a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices to God instructions. Therefore, under the head priest priests, but priests who participate in Christ's work of redemption. Rev. 1:6, 5:10 - Jesus made us a kingdom of priests to God. Priests intercede through Christ on behalf of the people of God. James 5:16, Proverbs 15:8, 29 - the prayers of the righteous (the saints) have powerful effects. For this reason, we ask your prayers. How much more powerful are the saints in heaven prayers, in which justice has been perfected. 1 Tim 2:5-6 - therefore, it is because Jesus Christ is the only mediator before God that we can be subordinate mediators. Jesus is the reason. The Catholic position thus gives more glory to Jesus. He does everything but loves us so much He desires our participation. To mediate specific instructions and examples of subordinates Mediation New Testament Matt. 5:44-45 - Jesus tells us to pray for (to mediate on behalf of) those who persecute us. God teaches us to mediate. Matt. 17:1-3, Mark 9:4, Luke 9:30-31 - Moses and Elijah appear late in the Transfiguration of Jesus in conversation with the presence of Peter, James and John (these may be the two "witnesses" John refers Rev. 11:3). Nothing in Scripture suggests that God never hates or short communication among those living in the sky and life on earth. On the contrary, God encourages communication within the communion of saints. Moses and Elijah appeared on the earth we also teach that the saints in heaven now with the ability to overcome our limitations in the earth. Matt. 26:53 - Jesus said that He may call upon the assistance of twelve legions of angels. If Jesus said he could request assistance from the holy angel - and he obviously would not be adoring to do - so can we, who need their help much more than Jesus, and without engaging in idolatry. And, in Mat. 22:30, Jesus said it would be "like angels in heaven." This means human saints (as the angel saints) may be called upon to help people on earth. God allows and encourages interaction between family members. Matt. 27:47,49; Mark 15:35-36 - The people think that Jesus asks Elijah for his intercession, and wait to see if Elijah comes to save Jesus from the cross. Matt. 27:52-53 - Jesus in the passion, many saints were raised and went to the city and presumably appear to interact with people, as Jesus did after his resurrection. Mark 11:24 - Jesus said that we ask in prayer, we will receive it. It is Jesus, and that through Jesus, to mediate. John 2:3 - Jesus knew that the wine is gone, but encourages and responds to the intercession of Mary. God wants our children and responds to mediation, because He is life and love God. John 2:5 - Mary intercedes on behalf of the people at the wedding and told them to do what Jesus said. Because Mary is our perfect model of faith, we intercede on behalf of our brothers and sisters. John 2:11 - in fact it was the intercession of Mary, who began the ministry of Jesus. Its time had not yet arrived, but Jesus responds to the intercession of Mary. Although we could do it all by himself, God wants to work with their children. Acts 12:7 - an angel strikes Peter in the face and wakes him up, releasing him from prison. The angel answered Pedro prayers. Rom. 15:30 - Paul commands of God's family to pray for him. If we are united together in one body of Christ, we can help each other. 2 Cor. 1:11 - Paul suggests that even more prayers and more people who pray, the better! Prayer is more effective when joined with others in prayer. 2 Cor. 9:14 - Paul says that the saints pray for the land the Corinthians. Subordinates who are the mediators in Christ. 2 Cor. 13:7,9 - Paul tells the elders to pray that the Corinthians can do right and improve. They participate in the mediation of Christ. Gal. 6:2,10 - Paul charges carry the burden of one another, and to do good to all, especially the family of faith. Eph. 6:18 - Paul commands of God's family to pray for one another. Eph. 6:19 - Paul commands the Ephesians to pray for him. If there is only one mediator, why did Paul ask your prayers? Phil. 1:19 - Paul recognizes the power of Philippians' earthly intercession. Will be awarded for their prayers and the Holy Spirit. Col. 1:3 - Paul says that he and the elders to pray for the Colossians. Subordination are mediators in the body of Christ. Col. 1:9 - Paul says that he and the elderly have not stopped praying for the Colossians, and, through the intercession, which may have wisdom. Col. 4:4 - Paul commands the Colossians to pray for the elders of the church so that God may open a door to the floor. Why did not Paul just leave God? Due to the mediation of subordination is acceptable and pleasing to God, and brings a change in the world. This is as mysterious as the Incarnation, but it's true. 1 Thess. 5:11 - Paul charges to encourage one another and build one another in the body of Christ. We do as mediators in Christ. 1 Thess. 5:17 - Paul says "pray constantly." If Jesus role as mediator subordinately does not apply to us, why pray at all? 1 Thess. 5:25 - Paul commands of God's family to pray for the elders of the Church. He wants our subordinate mediation. 2 Thess. 1:11 - Paul says to the family of God who prays for us. We participate in the mediation of Christ, because Christ wants this. 2 Thess. 3:1 - Paul calls the Thessalonians to pray for him, Silvanus and Timothy to that could be delivered. 1 Tim. 2:1-3 - Paul commands us to pray for all. Paul also states that these sentences are acceptable in the eyes of God. 2 Tim. 1:3 - Paul says: "I remember you constantly in my prayers." Philemon 22 - Paul is hope through the intercession of Philemon that he may be able to be with Philemon. Heb. 1:14 - the author writes, "Are they not all ministering spirits sent to serve, for the sake of those who are to obtain salvation?" Hebrews 13:18-19 - the author urged the Hebrews to pray for the elderly so that they act in all things desirable. James 5:14-15-James said that the prayer of the priests during the patient will save the sick and forgive their sins. This is a powerful example of men forgiveness of sins and lead to the salvation of a person with the sacrament of the sick. James 5:16 - James teaches us to confess our sins to one another and pray for one another so that we can be healed. James 5:17-18 - James refers to God's answer to fervent prayer of Elijah no rain. He is teaching us about the effectiveness of our mediation. 1 John 5:14-15 - John is convinced that God will grant us what we ask according to God's will. 1 John 5:16-17 - our prayers for others, even God's call to give life to them and keep them from sinning. Our God is a living God who answers our personal prayers. 3 John 2 - John prays for Gaius' health and, therefore, a subordinate acts as mediator. Rev. 1:4 - this verse shows that the angels (in this case, the seven spirits) to give the grace and peace. For the grace and peace comes only from God, the angels are acting as mediators for God. Rev. 5:8 - the prayers of the saints (in heaven and earth) are presented to God by the angels and saints in heaven. This shows that the saints intercede for us before God, and also demonstrates that our prayers on earth are united with their prayers in heaven. (The "24 Elders" is said to refer to God's people - perhaps the 12 apostles and 12 tribes - and the "four living creatures" is said to refer to the angels.) Rev. 6:9-11 - the holy martyrs in heaven a cry aloud to God to avenge their blood on those who dwell on earth. "These are" imprecatory prayers "that are grounds for view of God (see prayer in Psalm 35:1 similar; 59:1-17, 139:19, Jer. 11:20, 15:15, 18:19; Zech.1 :12-13). This means that the saints in heaven pray for those on earth, and God answered their prayers (Rev. 8:1-5). Therefore, asking her intercession and protection. Rev. 8:3-4 - an angel in the sky blend of incense with the prayers of all saints on the golden altar before the throne of God, and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand the angel before God. These prayers "lifted" before God and obtain various types of ground activity. God responds to requests from their children, either by their children on earth or in heaven. Old Testament Gen. 20:17 - God responds to the intercession of Abraham and Abimelech healthy, and his wife and his slaves. Gen. 27:29, Num. 24:9 - Blessed is everyone who blesses you. If we bless others in prayer, we are also blessed. Exodus 32:11-14, 30-34, 34:9, Num. 14:17-20, 21:7-9 - there are many examples of God's answer to Moses' holy intercession. 1 Sam. 12:23 - Samuel said it would be sinning against God if you do not continue to intercede for the people of Israel. 1 Sam. 28:7-20 - the deceased prophet Samuel comes and talks with Saul, which is confirmed by Sir 46:13,20). 1 Sam. 28:7, 1 Chron. 10:13-14 - Saul practiced necromancy. He used half, not God, to search for the dead and therefore doomed. Saul of the practice is completely at odds with the Catholic understanding of Holy mediation, where God is the source and channel for all communications, and allowing their children to participate in this power. 2 Chron. 30:27 - the prayers of the priests and Levites came before the holy abode of God in heaven and answered. Tobit 12:12,15 - angels instead of Tobias and Sara prayers to the saint. This teaches us that angels are also our subordinate mediators. We ask the angels to take our prayers to God. Job 42:7-9 - Job prayed for three friends in sin and God heard working as a result of these prayers. Psalm 34:7 - The angel of the Lord gives to those who fear him. Psalm 91:11 - God will give His angels charge of you, on duty in all its forms. Psalm 103:20-21, 148:1-2 - angels and we ask your help in doing the will of God. Psalm 141:2 - David asks that his prayer be counted as incense before God. The prayers of the saints have powerful effects. Isaiah 6:6-7 - an angel touches Isaiah's lips and said that his sin is forgiven. The angel is a mediator under the effects of God forgiveness of sins in God's name. Jer. 7:16 - God recognizes people's ability to intercede, but refused to respond due to the hardness of heart. Jer. 15:1 - the Lord recognizes the power of intercession of Moses and Samuel. Jer. 37:3 - Sedequías king sends messengers to ask Jeremiah to intercede for the people, who could pray to God for them. Jer. 42:1-6 - the entire people of Israel before Jeremiah was asking his intercession, he was going to pray to the Lord for them. Baruch 3:4 - Baruch asks the Lord to hear the prayers of the dead of Israel. They can intercede on behalf of the people of God. Dan. 9:20-23 - Daniel intercedes on behalf of the people of both Israel confessing its sins and the sins of the people before God. Zac. 1:12-13 - an angel intercedes for the Judea and God responds favorably. 2 macc. 15:12-16 - Onias the high priest and the prophet Jeremiah was dead for centuries, and yet interact with the life of Judas Maccabees and pray for the holy people on earth. We are a family in Christ in Heaven and Earth Eph. 3:14-15-we are all one family ( "Catholic") in heaven and on earth, united together as children of the Father, through Jesus Christ. Our brothers and sisters who have gone to heaven before us are a different family. We are one family. Thus, in the Apostles' Creed, which professes a belief in the communion of saints. " There can be a "communion" if there is no union. Loving people, whether on earth or in heaven, it refers to other beings, and this concern is reflected spiritually through prayer for one another. Eph. 1:22-23, 5:23-32, Col. 1:18,24 - this family is found in Jesus Christ, the head of the body, which is the Church. 1 Cor. 12:12,27, Rom. 12:5, Col. 3:15, Eph. 4:4 - that are members of the body of Christ, supernaturally linked together by our partaking of the Eucharist. Rom. 8:35-39 - Therefore, the death does not separate the family of God and the love of Christ. We are still united with each other, even beyond death. Matt. 17:3, Mark 9:4, Luke 9:30 - Jesus converses with "deceased" Moses and Elijah. They are more alive than the saints on earth. Matt. 22:32, Mark 12:27, Luke 20:38 - God is the God of the living not the dead. Life on earth and in heaven are one family. Luke 15:7,10 - the angels and saints experience joy in heaven over our repentance, then it is still connected to us and we are aware of our behavior. John 15:1-6 - Jesus is the vine and the branches. The branches are not good cut at the death. They are alive in heaven. 1 Cor. 4:9 - because it can become a spectacle not only to men but to angels as well, this indicates that angels are aware of our earth. Those in heaven to those who are connected to the earth. 1 Cor. 12:26 - when one member suffers, all suffer. When one is honored, all rejoice. We're in this together as a family. 1 Cor 13:12, 1 John 3:2 - we now see in a mirror dimly, but in heaven we see face to face. The saints are more alive than us! Heb. 12:1 - we are surrounded by a great cloud of glory (shekinah) of witnesses, our family in heaven. We are not separated. The "cloud of witnesses" (NEPhA marturon) refers to a large amphitheater with sand corridors (us on earth), and many levels of seats held by the saints (in heaven) rise like a cloud. The martures "are not mere spectators (" theatai "), but testifiers (witness) to testify on his own experience to the promises of God and encourage us in our race to the sky. They are nothing less than our family in heaven. 1 Peter 2:9, Rev. 20:6 - we are a royal family of priests, by virtue of baptism. We, as priests to intercede on behalf of others. 2 Peter 1:4 - since God is eternal family and we are His children we are partakers of his divine nature as a family together. 1 Cor. 1:2, Rom. 1:7 - we are called to be saints. Santos was referring to both the earth and in heaven who are in Christ. Proof: Acts 9:13,32,41, 26:10, 1 Cor. 6:1-2, 14:33, 2 Cor. 1:1, 8:4, 9:1-2, 13:13, Rom. 8:27, 12:23, 15:25,26, 31; 16:2,15, Eph. 1:1,15,18, 3:8, 5:3, 6:18, Phil. 1:1, 4:22; 1:2,4,26 Col, 1 Tim 5:10; Philemon 1:5,7, Heb. 6:10, 13:24, Jude 1:3, Rev. 11:18, 13:7, 14:12, 16:6, 17:6, 18:20,24, Rev 19:8, 20:9 -- - in these verses, we see that Christians still living on earth are called "saints." Matt. 27:52, Eph. 2:19, 3:18, Col. 1:12, 2 Thess. 1:10, Rev. 5:8, 8:3-4, 11:18, 13:10 - in these verses, we also see that "saints" refers also to those who joined us in heaven. Dan. 4:13,23; 8:23 - we also see that the angels in heaven are also called "saints." The same Hebrew word "qaddiysh" (a saint) is applied to human beings and angels in heaven. Therefore, there are angels and saints in heaven human saints in heaven and on earth. Loving beings (whether angels or saints) relates to other beings, spiritual and prayer is a way to express that love. Purgatory After a state of death and suffering of forgiveness Matt. 5:26,18:34; Luke 12:58-59 - Jesus teaches us: "Come to terms with your opponent or you will be given to the judge and thrown into prison. You will not leave until you have paid the last penny. "The word" rival "(antidiko) is probably a reference to the devil (see the same word for the devil in 1 Pet. 5:8) which is an accuser against man (see Job 1.6-12; Zac. 3.1 ; Rev. 12.10), and God is the judge. If we have not adequately dealt with satan and sin in this life, to be held in a temporary state called a prison, and not leave until they have fulfilled all our debt to God. This "prison" is purgatory where not leave until the last penny is paid. Matt. 5:48 - Jesus says, "be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect." We are just a perfect through purification, and in Catholic teaching, this purification, if not completed on earth, is continued in a transitional state we call purgatory. Matt. 12:32 - Jesus says, "And whoever says a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this world or the next." Jesus therefore, clearly states that there is forgiveness after death. The phrase "the next" (from the Greek "to mellonti") generally refers to the other (see, for example, Mark 10.30, Luke 18.30; 20,34-35; Eph. 1.21 to similar wording). Forgiveness is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This demonstrates that there is another state after death, and the Church of 2000 years this state has called Purgatory. Luke 12:47-48 - when the Master comes (at the end of time), some will receive light or heavy beatings but live. This state is not heaven or hell, because in heaven there is no shock, and hell no longer live with the Master. Luke 16:19-31 - in this story, we see that the dead rich man is suffering but still feels compassion for his brothers and wants to warn them of their place of suffering. But there is no suffering in heaven or compassion in hell because compassion is a grace from God in Hell and those who are deprived of the grace of God for all eternity. Where is the rich man? He is in purgatory. 1 Cor. 15:29-30 - Paul mentions people baptized in the name of the dead, in the context of atoning for their sins (people are baptized in the name of the dead so the dead can be raised). They can not be in heaven because they are still with sin, but can not be in hell because their sins can not be atoned for. They are in purgatory. These verses directly correspond to 2 macc. 12:44-45 which also shows specific prayers for the dead, so they can be forgiven their sins. Phil. 2:10 - every knee bends to Jesus, in heaven on earth, and under the earth, "which is the kingdom of the righteous dead, or purgatory. 2 Tim. 1:16-18 - Paul is dead Onesiphorus but calls for mercy on him that day. "Paul's use of" that day "demonstrates its eschatological usage (see, eg, Rom. 2.5,16; 1 Cor. 1.8, 3.13, 5.5, 2 Cor. 1.14, Phil. 1.6,10, 2.16, 1 Thess. 5.2,4,5,8, 2 Thess. 2.2,3, 2 Tim. 4.8). Of course, there is no need for mercy in heaven, and there is no mercy in hell. Where is Onesiphorus? He is in purgatory. Heb. 12:14 - without holiness no one will see the Lord. We need final sanctification to attain true holiness before God, and this process occurs in our lifetime and, if not completed during our lives, in the transitional state of purgatory. Heb. 12:23 - the spirits of just men who died in godliness are "made" perfect. Not necessarily arrive perfect. It makes perfect after his death. But those are already in heaven is perfect, and those in hell can not be perfect. These spirits are in purgatory. 1 Peter 3:19, 4:6 - Jesus preached to the spirits in "prison". These are the souls of the righteous to be purified for the beatific vision. Rev. 21:4 - God wipe away their tears, and no grief or pain, but only after the coming of the new heaven and the death of the current heaven and earth. Note the elimination of the tears and pain only occurs at the end of time. But there is no morning or pain in heaven, and God does not wipe away their tears in hell. These are the souls suffer purgatory. Rev. 21:27 - nothing unclean shall enter heaven. The word "dirty" comes from the Greek word "koinon" which refers to a spiritual corruption. Even the propensity to sin is spiritually corrupt, or considered unclean and must be purified before entering heaven. It is surprising how many Protestants do not want to believe in purgatory. Purgatory exists because of God's mercy. If there is no purgatory, this also means you can not salvation for most people. In fact, God is merciful. Luke 23:43 - many Protestants argue that since Jesus sent the good thief right to heaven, no purgatory. There are several replicas. First, when Jesus uses the word "paradise" that does not mean the sky. Paradise, the Hebrew "sheol," meant the realm of the righteous dead. This was the place of the dead who were destined for heaven, but that is captive to the Lord's resurrection. Secondly, since there was no punctuation in the original manuscript, Jesus' statement "I say to you today will be with me in paradise" does not mean that there was a comma after the first word "you". This means that Jesus could have said, "I say to you today, that will be with me in paradise" (ie, Jesus could have emphasized with exclamation his statement was "today" or "now" and that sometime in the future the good thief would go to heaven). Thirdly, even if the thief went straight to heaven, this does not prove there is no purgatory (those who are fully sanctified in this life - perhaps by a bloody and repentant death - could be ready for admission into the sky). Gen. 50:10, Num. 20:29, Deut. 34:8 - here are some examples of ritual prayer and penitent mourning for the dead for specific periods of time. The Jewish understanding of these practices is the prayer that frees the souls of her painful state of purification, and expedited their journey to God. Baruch 3:4 - Baruch asks the Lord to hear the prayers of the dead of Israel. Prayers for the dead are superfluous and unnecessary in heaven in hell. These dead are in purgatory. Zac. 9:11 - God, through the blood of his covenant, shall be set free from the water pool, a spiritual abode of suffering which the Church calls purgatory. 2 macc. 12:43-45 - the prayers for the dead help free them from sin and help the reward of heaven. Those in heaven have no sin, and who in the hell can not be freed from sin. They are in purgatory. Luther was particularly troubled with these verses because he rejected the old teaching of purgatory. As a result, took charge of the Maccabees in the Bible. After the death of purification by fire Heb. 12:29 - God is a consuming fire (of love in the sky, of purgation in purgatory, or of suffering and damnation in hell). 1 Cor. 3:10-15 - works are judged after death and tested by fire. Some works have been lost, but the person is still saved. Paul refers to the state of purgation called purgatory. The venial sins (bad works) that were committed are burned after death, but the person is brought to salvation. This state after death can not be heaven (no one with venial sins is present) or hell (there is forgiveness and salvation). 1 Cor. 3:15 - "If any man's work burn, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only through fire." The phrase "suffer loss" in Greek is "zemiothesetai" ;. The root word is "zemioo" which also refers to punishment. The construction zemiothesetai "is used in the former. 21:22 and Prov. 19:19 which refers to punishment (from the Hebrew "Anash" which means "punish" or "penalty"). Therefore, this verse shows that there is an expiation of temporal punishment after our death, but the person is still saved. This can not mean the sky (there is no punishment in heaven) and this can not mean hell (the possibility of sin no longer exists and the person is not saved). 1 Cor. 3:15 - In addition, Paul writes "he himself will be saved," but only "(or" so ") and the fire." "He will be saved" in Greek is "sothesetai" (which means eternal salvation). The phrase "but only" (or "tan") in Greek is "hout", meaning "the same way." This means that man is both eternally rewarded and eternally saved from the same way by the fire. 1 Cor. 3:13 - when Paul writes about God revealing the quality of each man's work by fire and purifying him, this purification refers to his sins (not only their good deeds). Protestants, in attempting to disprove the reality of purgatory, argue that Paul was writing only about rewarding good works, and not punishing sins (because punishing a man and purification of sins would be admitting that there a purgatory). 1 Cor. 3:17 - but this verse proves that the purgation after death about punishing sin. That is, destroy the temple of God is a bad job, which is a mortal sin, which leads to death. 1 Cor. 3:14,15,17 - purgatory thus reveals the state of the law (v.14), state of venial sin (V.15) and the state of mortal sin (V.17), all which are judged after death. 1 Peter 1:6-7 - Peter refers to this purgatorial fire to test the fruits of our faith. Jude 1:23 - the people who are saved are being snatched from the flames. People are already saved if they are in heaven, and there is no possibility of salvation if they are in hell. These people are being led to heaven from purgatory. Rev. 3:18-19 - Jesus refers to this fire as it refines the gold that loves if they repent of their sins. This is in the context of after death, because Jesus, who spoke from the sky, gives the white dress of salvation after the purgation of fire (both after death). Dan 12:10 - Daniel refers to this refining by saying many purified themselves are white and refined. Wis. 3:5-6 - the dead are disciplined and tested by fire to receive their heavenly reward. This is the fire of purgatory. Sir 2:5 - for gold is tested in fire, and acceptable for men in the furnace of humiliation. Zac. 13:8-9 - God says 2 / 3 will perish, and 1 / 3 was left alive, into the fire, and refined as silver and tested like gold. Those who die go to hell, and there is need for improvement in the sky, so it is being refined in purgatory. Mal. 3:2-3 - God also refers to the purification of the righteous in their death. Your friend does not know as much about Catholicism, as it thinks not. In fact, it gives you standard issue anti-Catholic propaganda. Be vary wary of what he has to say about the Catholic Church.

By: Dovesss

Dovesss — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:20:46 +0000

Jesus said everything there is to ask in his name can not remember the father granted him say mary or request on behalf of the saints.

By: robert

robert — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:20:46 +0000

Your friend seems to be insecure with their faith.
Although he was paid, that are sincerely open for discussion and knowledge.
Try this site: http://www.fisheaters.com/index.html
Peace be with you.

By: Midge

Midge — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:20:46 +0000

Jesus is alive. Catholics receive the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus. If Jesus is alive so are Catholics and they are not praying for the dead, but we are praying for people who live in heaven. These people are part of the Body of Christ here on Earth are also members. We pray to intercede for us with Jesus. Do not pray to save us, but only to intercede. The people here on Earth have no trouble saying yes "oh will pray for me so do not buy into that little to say" No intercessor between God and man, except Jesus "(though this is true ), but if that was true then why pray for one another? We pray to intercede for ourselves that the people here to intercede for others. They are our family. I do not think they understand because they only receive Communion during a symbol and not really Jesus because their ministers are not ordained Apostolically change the bread and wine into his body and blood.

By: Papa

Papa — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:20:46 +0000

The saints are alive and in heaven. By the grace of God that can hear our prayers and intercession. Purgatory is mentioned in the Bible, even if not used that word specifically. The Catholic Church was established by Christ and the teaching of an authority based on Scripture and tradition. Even the Bible says this. Nowhere in the Bible is not to say that the Bible is the only education authority, in fact, refers to the celebration of tradition teaches. Just some ideas for you and your friend to follow up.

By: PaulCyp

PaulCyp — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:20:46 +0000

It appears that your friend is not very familiar with the Bible. Many Protestants are not. Jesus specifically said that those who follow it "never die." Therefore, referring to the saints as "dead" are calling Jesus a liar. The Saints have been subjected to biological death but they are very spiritually alive, which of course is what Jesus meant. Which means they can do things spiritual - as a prayer. Christians have asked Christians to pray for intercession from the first day. Every Christian can pray in the name of anyone, regardless of where the Christian is living in now, on earth or in heaven.