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By: sparki77

sparki77 — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:31:36 +0000

Fred, the best example in Scripture is John 2, the story of the wedding at Cana. If you recall, Jesus and his mother and the disciples were at a wedding. When the hosts ran out of wine, Mary went to Jesus and asked him to intervene. Initially declined, but relented. Mary said to the players to do what Jesus told them to do, and he turned water into wine.
Now, if this story is to show that Jesus listens to the petitions of Mary, why is that part of the story at all? Very clearly, John could have written the story without her in it at all. He could have said to the hosts ran out of wine, Jesus told some staff members to fill jugs of water, and then he turned water into wine, the end. Instead, Juan María included very carefully its role in this, and we are supposed to learn something about your role.
What have we learned? First, that Mary is able and willing to take our needs to Jesus (after all, she is not dead - she knew that Jesus is the Messiah, it has been granted eternal life, like the rest of us). Secondly, Maria Jesus listens to their requests and grants. Third, Mary will lead us to follow Jesus and do what Jesus tells us to do. Fourthly, Jesus does miracles, and not Mary.
Throughout the epistles of Paul we often hear about how the Church is a body. This is detailed extensively in 1 Corinthians. Well, when a Christian dies, they receive the gift of eternal life and resume their lives with Jesus in heaven. At that time, they are * still * the Body of Christ, right? It's not like having to boot or something. Therefore, if you are still part of the Body of Christ, still praying for God's will be done on earth as in heaven.
Compare this with Matthew 25, the parable of the talents. Remember how Jesus said that "good and faithful servant" will be "in charge of many things." Catholics believe that Jesus' good and faithful service they now live with the teacher's responsibility to pray for several things. Only makes sense, right? Especially as revelations says that the prayers of the saints around the throne of God.
By the way, if you do not know, Catholics are not obliged to pray to Mary or another saint. It is completely optional. But many of us want to ask Mary and the saints to pray for us, because as the Bible says, "The prayers of the righteous availeth much" (James 5:16) and that is fairer than a saint who has died and has been completely cleansed by the blood of Jesus, who is now living with him in heaven?

By: Wolfebla

Wolfebla — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:31:36 +0000

Asking the Virgin Mary and the saints for their prayers is no different than asking a friend at church or a family member to pray for their needs. All believers are members of the Communion of Saints, whether in the body and present with the Lord:
Luke 20:38 For God is not dead, but of life: to live with it all.
Since we know that Mary and the saints are alive to God, there is no reason why we can not ask them to intercede for us. They lived lives of great trust and faith in God, and they can pray for us in the way is better.
* * I want to thank you for recognizing that Catholics are Christians and to ask your question in a respectful manner. Too often, Catholics who are treated as if we are not members of the Body of Christ, and questions to us are often arrogant and cruel.
Your question was a delightful change from the norm around here.
Edit:
Therefore, ask someone to pray for you, that person is put in front of Jesus? Boy oh boy, will not be a large number of Protestants in a heap o 'trouble to ask Mom or Pastor to pray for them! The shame of putting Y'all dear old grandmother in front of Jesus!
Protestant 'logic' is a wonder to behold.

By: Shello

Shello — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:31:36 +0000

Very politely asked,
For the Saints:
Romans 15:30 - join me in your prayers to God on my behalf
Ephesians 6:18-19 - The plea of all the saints and for me
Tob 12:12 - Angel Tobias and Sara presented the prayer to God
Revelations 5:8 - angel offers prayers of the saints of God
To Mary:
We pray through Mary. And pray through the saints do with the Santa Maria (Luke 1:48 - "all generations will call me blessed) for God's help. Mary is the Mother of God. Catholics believe that God is not bound by any obligation to have a mother, I believe that He chose to have a mother and all that implies. He chose to allow the human body that was formed in her womb.
He chose to leave to pursue the man as a little baby in the world. He chose to let him in their power within it, take him in her arms, guard him from danger, and teach what every child is taught to walk and talk and pray. He chose to give power over Mary that only love can give. Catholics believe that the choice of a mother, the Son of God chose to grant him power over his will that the love of a good mother exercises over a child's.
Mary is a mother to all men. Catholics believe that the Son of God chose to enter the world through a mother so the mother can accept as His brothers, all children of the sinful race of man. One example of how it should be honored and loved. This was prepared for motherhood at the request of all to suffer all forms of pain, therefore, the teaching of their sympathy for the suffering of their children. She had been his mother alone, would have saved him from his pain, because he had the power to do so and because he loved with an infinite love. He forged his first public miracle at her request, and was dying when he recalled that she had been intended from the outset to be a mother to all. Catholics, therefore, believe that Mary is so eager to help them, the problems of the soul and body, like every natural mother is willing to promote the welfare of their child.

By: andrew

andrew — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:31:36 +0000

to answer this I must first say that thanks to the intention or desire,
the Bible says and I quote THO will no gods before me, also said he did not want to come to the father, but I threw what that means is that they must repent of their sins and believee in your heart that God sent His Son to die for you … but not in the Bible when the dose is anywhere to pray to marry at all ….. trust me that I have read many times …. just his way of Catholics who have done things?

By: ozchrist

ozchrist — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:31:36 +0000

The most obvious difference between Catholics and Protestants who, inevitably, is always up to Mary. Catholics do not worship her? As surprising as this may be for many, the answer is no! Not really worship, but they do worship and celebrate as their model of Christian life. Is not that something we all Christians? The difference is that praying with her, you cry on my back. Well actually, I ask you to pray for them - you notice the difference? A lot of people are upset when they hear that Catholics "pray" to Mary and other saints. The key is to remember that the word simply means to pray to ask. When we pray to God, we ask something of him, and when a Catholic prays to Mary or another saint, asking something from them - they are going to pray to God on their behalf. You see Catholics believe that when a Christian dies here on earth does not die, but in fact live forever with God [1]. We believe that the same thing! Catholics take this one step further, because these Christians are not really dead, but alive and with God, better than we could ask to pray for us? After all these people have been tried and found only in the eyes of God and prayer of the righteous is much effect [2].
Of course the answer is we do not need any mediator between us and God Jesus [3], we can go straight to him with our prayers. That is true, but the Bible also teaches us that we should pray for one another. [4] Therefore, we ask our Christian friends and family, still living on earth to offer intercessory prayer for us, as do Catholics. However, if you really believe that when our earthly bodies die, they live in our souls, then what is the problem to ask Christians in the "next life" to pray for us as well as those still here?
It is not biblical! The responses are Protestant threw me. Is that true? Is there really nothing in the Bible that tells us that Christians in heaven to intercede with God for us? Unfortunately we are on the Protestant side of Christianity may be wrong in this assumption, there is indeed a reference in the Bible to Christians in heaven, the prayers of God;
And when he had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints [5].
There is also reference to the presentation of the angels and the prayers;
And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer, and was given much incense to offer with the prayers of all saints on the golden altar before the throne, and the smoke of incense with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the angel's hand [6]
The Catholic interpretation of these passages is that we Christians are in heaven (24 seniors), and the angels in heaven, with the prayers of Christians on earth (the holy) to God. So now we see that there is no evidence that possibly biblical Christians in heaven our prayers to God. Of course, this does not necessarily prove that hearing all the prayers and know what they're presenting - except that they make to God.
We can hear? Most Protestants / evangelicals who say no. I still have not seen any evidence to support this assertion, however. There is a reference in Ecclesiastes that says the dead know nothing;
For the living know they will die, but the dead know nothing and have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten [7].
However, if we believe John 3:16 and accept that Christians do not really die, then this verse was debatable, and there is nothing in the Bible that tells us that Christians who have died physically on earth can not hear us in heaven.

By: tebone03

tebone03 — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:31:36 +0000

We ask you to pray for us like you would ask a friend or family member to pray for you. The saints are alive in heaven.
The Bible directs us to invoke in the sky and ask them to pray with us.
Thus, in Psalm 103 we pray, "Bless the Lord, oh to his angels, that the powerful make his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will "(Psalm 103:20-21). And in Psalm 148 that read, "Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord of the heavens, praise him in the highest! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, his welcome to all "(Psalm 148:1-2)
Not only those in heaven pray with us, but also pray for us. In Revelation, John sees that "the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each with a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of saints" (Rev. 5:8). Thus the saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth.
Angels do the same thing: "[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer, and was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all saints to the altar gold before the throne and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God "(Rev. 8:3-4).
Jesus himself warned us not to play with young children because their guardian angels have guaranteed access to the intercession of the Father: "See that no one of these, to tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven. "(Matthew 18:10).
Because he is the only God-man, Jesus is the only Mediator between man and God (1 Tim. 2:5), but this in no way means you can not and should not ask our fellow Christians to pray with us and by us (1 Tim. 2:1-4), including Christians in heaven, who have already completed their sanctification, of "[t] he prayer of a man just has a great power in its effects" ( Jas. 5:16).
Furthermore, Catholics do not differentiate between life (in this world) and the dead (those who left) members of the Body of Christ (the fullness of the Church.) The fullness of the mystical body of Christ is located at the junction of All Saints, past and present, here and below the top in the sky.
Given the above, one can not deny that those who were called to heaven, including Mary, his spirit still alive in the Kingdom of God, which coexists with our world. Since some non-Catholics pray for their deceased parents, grandparents or other biological relatives, asking these people departed loved before God to intercede on his behalf, Catholics pray to Jesus through Mary, by leveraging its position as the holy Mother of God.
This action affirms the Catholic and divinely inspired prophetic passage that is in the Holy Bible, which states, "Surely, from now on all generations will call me blessed." [Lk. 1:47] All the generations are unable to call Mary blessed if she does not participate actively in the progressive Divine Plan continues to unfold before our eyes.
In fact, all generations have called the blessed Virgin Mary, including this one, because she has never failed to speak on behalf of the world, get your intercession endless miraculous cures and other favors.

By: Daver

Daver — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:31:36 +0000

God responds to our wishes and subordinates Mediation / intercessory prayer
1 Tim 2:1-2 - because Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5), many Protestants deny the Catholic belief that the saints on earth and in heaven can mediate our name. But before the teaching of Paul about Jesus as a "mediator," Paul urges supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be for everyone. Paul is therefore appealing to the mediation of others, in addition to Christ, the only mediator. Why?
1 Tim 2:3 - because this subordinate mediation is good and acceptable to God our Savior. Because God is our Father and we are His children, God invites us to participate in the role of Christ as mediator.
1 Tim. 2:5 - therefore, although Jesus is the only mediator between God and man, there are many intercessors (subordinate mediators).
1 Cor. 3:9 - God invites us to participate in the work of Christ because we are God's "fellow workers" and a family in the body of Christ. God wants his children to participate. The term used to describe "fellow workers" is sunergoi "which literally means, synergists, or cooperators with God in salvific matters. God does not need co-workers? Of course not, but this shows how much of Him as the Father loves his children. God wants us to work with him.
Mark 16:20 - this is another example of how the Lord worked with them "(" sunergountos). God cooperates with us. His eternal love, inviting our participation.
Rom. 8:28 - God "in the works for the good" (the Greek is "eis sunergei Agathon") those who love Him. We work as subordinate mediators.
2 Cor. 6:1 - "working together" (the Greek is "sunergountes") with him, do not accept his grace in vain. God allows us to participate in its work, because it does not need our help but because He loves us and wants us to exalt His Son. It's like the father who allowed his son join him in carrying groceries into the house. The father does not need help, but the child is invited to help raise the child in dignity and love.
Heb. 12:1 - the "cloud of witnesses" (NEPhA marturon), which are surrounded by a large amphitheater witnessed the race from the earth, and actively participate and encourage us (the riders), in our race to salvation.
1 Peter 2:5 - we are a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices to God instructions. Therefore, under the head priest priests, but priests who participate in Christ's work of redemption.
Rev. 1:6, 5:10 - Jesus made us a kingdom of priests to God. Priests intercede through Christ on behalf of the people of God.
James 5:16, Proverbs 15:8, 29 - the prayers of the righteous (the saints) have powerful effects. For this reason, we ask your prayers. How much more powerful are the saints in heaven prayers, in which justice has been perfected.
1 Tim 2:5-6 - therefore, it is because Jesus Christ is the only mediator before God that we can be subordinate mediators. Jesus is the reason. The Catholic position thus gives more glory to Jesus. He does everything but loves us so much He desires our participation.
There's plenty more where that came.

By: Mike K

Mike K — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:31:36 +0000

Hi,
Nowhere in the Bible says to pray to Mary and the saints, but not in the Bible does not say not to ask whether other topry for you.
Cheers,
Michael Kelly

By: kelley

kelley — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:31:36 +0000

It does not say that anywhere. I asked my religion teacher, and said that Mary and the saints are available to us to pray to help guide us. And at the same time praying with them, we pray to God indirectly.

By: tj

tj — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:31:36 +0000

Im not Catholic, but there is none, the policy of the church now says that not only the worship of Mary to worship her, but its ok to pray with her and the saints.
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