Comments on: Orthodox do believe that when a Catholic priest says the words of consecration The Holy Spirit transforms the bread

By: Liet Kynes

Liet Kynes — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:51:39 +0000

* Is Catholic
Firstly we will not use the term "Orthdox Christians. Simply say "Orthodox Churches" or members of the Orthodox Faith.
Secondly, the link above by Meg M OrthoWiki is semi correct. That is a different issue, not its subject.
To answer your question. There is no hard and fast game rule book for the Orthodox Churches. A unified catechism, canon law, so that unites all the churches there. So the question really needs to be asked, did the Russian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, the Orthodox Ukraine, etc. ….. I think
For Catholics, it is very clear that they are valid for orders that have a valid Eucharist. This understanding is not necessarily the same for the Orthodox Churches that focus on the need to be in communion with the Orthodox Church of validity. So some Orthodox writers say that as soon as there is a schism priest loses his command.
Therefore, it is a very complicated matter, if one takes into account especially that the Orthodox Churches are not fully in communion with others and there have been periods of history when they have not been in full communion with each other. Then there is the whole question of who gets to decide who is and who is not in full communion with each other.
It is also important to remember that some of the Eastern Churches in Rome, where he stayed with the East-West division. Parts of other Churches Easter came later. His theology is exactly the same as Orthodox theology and apparently believe that Catholic priests are able to devote the bread and wine.
Orthodox churches are in communion with Rome, which teaches that one can never receive the Eucharist for an Orthodox Catholic priest. However, a priest Orthdox might (and I stress could) to allow a Catholic Divine Liturgy is a Catholic, although the Catholic belief states. Therefore, it is this sense that Catholics and Orthodox believe the same about the Eucharist, but the communion of churches with each other is important.

By: *

Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:51:39 +0000

I understand your question —- I know that Catholics believe that the Orthodox have a real commitment, but I'm not sure if Christian Orthodox (Russian, Greek, etc) believe Catholics have a valid consecration. There is an Orthodox Catholic, which is affiliated to the Roman Catholic Church, it would be one and the same, just a different rite. Sorry if I could not fully respond to your question.

By: thirstqu

thirstqu — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:51:39 +0000

Yes, the Orthodox believe the same as Roman Catholics. Becomes the body and blood of Christ.

By: Meg M

Meg M — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:51:39 +0000

>> Basically what I'm asking is to Orthodox Christians believe Catholic priest has the authority to consecrate the bread and wine? <<
From what I can determine, the Orthodox do not recognize the validity of orders outside their church, so no.

By: Dave P

Dave P — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:51:39 +0000

I understand your question, you are not asking about orthodoxy, but believes in the transubstantiation of the status of full communion between the Roman and Orthodox churches.
At present, neither the church is in full communion with the other. Therefore, members of both religions are discouraged from taking communion from a priest of the faith, unless others are in danger of dying. Furthermore, both faiths are happy to give communion to a member of another faith. So if you're Orthodox, Catholics will allow you to have communion with them, but should not (and vice versa).

By: elisavet

elisavet — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:51:39 +0000

I think (but am not sure) that the Orthodox have the same with the Catholics believe in

By: tebone03

tebone03 — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:51:39 +0000

The Mass is a true sacrifice: Christ as the High Priest in the order of Melchizedek, offers the grace of His once and for all sacrifice on the Cross for us sacramentally in the appearances of bread and wine through the ministry of His ordained priest
Christ ordained offer Christ to the Father under the appearances of bread and wine. Christ is truly present under the appearance of bread and wine, in all senses: Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity.

By: Henry R

Henry R — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:51:39 +0000

You might have to blow the dust of some anchient treated fairly in establishing how these two sects anchient sight of one another. I suspect, because they separate after reaching an agreement on the details of the Eucharist, which will probably agree these details and nominally recognize the legitimacy of each one in its achievement. But not really have much time to one another.

By: Fireant

Fireant — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:51:39 +0000

I'm not sure what the Orthodox Catholic cree, but my grandparents were Catholic, and they believed they were participating in the Body of Christ. At that time, not to give wine.
And if you're about to "judge" for Catholics, or anything else, except for learning itself. PLEASE leave, religious disputes of all this makes me tired and angry. Do not we all have better things to do than bash each other?
** Sorry, that sounded cynical, but I have questions about different religious faiths. I have been reading other peoples questions and see if I can get some answers. But it seems that most people on YA just bash each other and condemn each other for different beliefs.

By: Daniel F

Daniel F — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:51:39 +0000

yes …