By: Mike

Mike — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:16:47 +0000

No, sorry. Only Jesus was immaculately conceived - as a self proclaimed and necessary (He was born of a virgin). Although both Mary and Jesus were born without original sin.

By: Tessa

Tessa — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:16:47 +0000

His bad. There was nothing mentioned in the Bible Mary abortions are conceived in a miraculous way.

By: cheir

cheir — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:16:47 +0000

Suggest to stop talking / listening to the nonsense of Roman Catholicism and Protestantism arrive.

By: Marty

Marty — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:16:47 +0000

A loose but your right
Martin Luther
Christ our Savior is the true and natural fruit of virginal womb of Mary. . . This was without the cooperation of a man, and she remained a virgin after that.
Christ. . . was the only son of Mary, the Virgin Mary had no children and, in addition to it. . . I tend to agree with those who say that "brothers" really means "cousins" here, by the holy scripture and Jews call cousins brothers.
A new lie about me is being circulated. I am supposed to have preached and written that Mary, the Mother of God, was not a virgin either before or after the birth of Christ. . .
Scripture does not say or indicate which later lost her virginity. . .
When Matthew [1:25] says that Joseph did not know Mary carnally until he had brought his son, does not follow that he knew her subsequently, by contrast, means that she never knew. . . This babble. . . is without justification. . . he has not noticed or paid attention to Scripture or the common language.
John Calvin
Helvidius shows excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ "brothers" are sometimes mentioned.
[On Matt 1:25] The inference he [Helvidius] it is stated that Mary remained a virgin until no more of their first birth, and had other children after her husband. . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words. . . which occurred after the birth of Christ. He is called "first born" but was simply to report that he was born of a virgin. . . What happened afterwards, the historian does not inform us. . . No man will obstinately keep the argument, except for an extreme fondness for discussion.
Under the word "brothers" Jews include all cousins and other relatives, whatever the degree of affinity.
Huldreich Zwingli
He becomes, in September 1522, to a lyrical defense of the perpetual virginity of the mother of Christ. . . To deny that Mary remained "inviolata" before, during and after the birth of her Son, was to doubt the omnipotence of God. . . and it is right and profitable to repeat the angelic greeting - not prayer - "Ave Maria." . . Mary Estimated God above all creatures, including the saints and angels - it was her purity, innocence and faith that mankind must follow. Prayer, however, it should be. . . God alone. . .
"Expositio Fidei," the last magazine of his pen. . . There is an emphasis on the perpetual virginity of Mary.
Zwingli had printed in 1524 a sermon on 'Mary, ever Virgin, Mother of God. "
I never thought, much less taught, or declared publicly, anything concerning the issue of the ever Virgin Mary, Mother of our salvation, that would be considered dishonorable, evil, bad or unworthy. . . I believe with all my heart according to the word of the holy gospel that this pure virgin bore for us the Son of God and that she remains in the birth and after her, a pure and unsullied virgin, for eternity.
Heinrich Bullinger
Bullinger (d. 1575). . . defends the perpetual virginity of Mary. . . inveighs against the false Christians who defraud her of her rightful praise: 'In Mary everything is extraordinary and all the more glorious, as it emerges from the pure faith and burning love of God. "She is" the most singular and the noblest member of the Christian community. . .
"The Virgin Mary. . . completely sanctified by the grace and the blood of His only Son and abundantly endowed by the gift of the Holy Spirit and preferred to all. . . now lives happily with Christ in heaven and is called and remains ever virgin, Mother of God. "
John Wesley (founder of Methodism)
I think … he [Jesus] was born of the Blessed Virgin, which as much after she
led him forward, continued a pure and unspotted virgin.
"I urge then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone - for kings and all those in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceful life in all piety and holiness. This is good and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. "
1Timothy 2:1-5
Jesus is the only Mediator of our salvation, our only Savior. But he is not our sole intercessor, as a whole step above clearly indicates. Therefore, a step that the fundamentalists have used to deny intercessionary the sentence, when read in context, actually a backup intercessionary prayer.
James 5: 16-18 "… The fervent prayer of a person is just very powerful. Elijah was a human being like us, but prayed earnestly that it might not rain, and for three years and six months no rain on the earth. Then he prayed again and the heaven gave rain and the earth produced its fruit. "
Thus we see that reinforces the prayer of intercession. And the more just and fair is the intercessor, the most powerful prayer.
BUT THAT IS THE PRAYER ON EARTH. I have been told that people in NI HEAVEN CAN SEE U.S. O pray for the USA.
This is a recent, man-made doctrine, no authority behind it.
12.1 Hebrews speaks of "a great cloud of witnesses" surrounding us, and consisting of the faithful saints of God. Many examples of these witnesses are presented in the previous chapter 11 of Hebrews.
Later in the Bible we see this vision of heaven:
Revelation 4.4: Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had gold crowns on their heads.
Revelation 5.8: … and twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each had a harp and holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
The search for the intercession of Mary, probably dating from the early Christians. One of the oldest Christian prayers recorded in writing, the Sub tuum, since 200 AD, is a prayer to Mary:
We fly to your patronage, O holy Mother of God.
Despise not our petitions in our needs,
However, we are delivering all the dangers,
O glorious and ever blessed Virgin!
MARIA IS NOT NECESSARY BUT WHEN I CAN GO DIRECTLY TO GOD.
Why not say "I do not need the rest of my family whenever I have my father"? The Church is a single body, the different members interelate and depend on each other: "The eye does not tell the hand," I do not need you! "And the head can not say to the feet," I do not need you "(I Co. 12:21).
St. Irenaeus Against Heresies (circa 189 AD):
Eva .. the virgin, betrothed to a man but nevertheless still a virgin, was unfortunately lost, - even that was misleading because the Virgin Mary, betrothed to a man but nevertheless still a virgin, he heard the truth that spoken by an angel, and was obedient. For as the former lost by the word of an angel, so she fled from God when he had transgressed His word, so they, in an angelic communication receive the glad tidings that she should
sustain (portaret) God, being obedient to His word.
The former disobeyed God, but the latter was persuaded to be obedient to God, so that the Virgin Mary might become patroness (Advocates) of the virgin Eve. And so, as the human race fell into bondage to death by a virgin, so it is rescued by a virgin, virginal disobedience having been balanced in the opposite scale by virginal obedience. In the same way the sin of the first created man (protoplasti) is amended by the correction of the First-begotten, the coming of the serpent is conquered by the harmlessness of the dove, will unload the bonds for which he had been linked to rapid death.
Very true. "Mariolatry," the cult of Mary, giving her the kind of honor due only to God (Greek: Latvia). Since the ratio of Catholics to their highest honor given by the other saints, but less than we give to God (and not only less, but fundamentally a different kind of honor), Mariolatry does not exist in Catholic piety. In fact, the Catholic Church prohibits Mariolatry it forbids us to worship anyone but God himself: "Idolatry is not only refers to false pagan worship. Remains a constant temptation to faith. Idolatry is divinizing what is not God. Man commits idolatry whenever that honors and reveres a creature in place of God …. Idolatry rejects the unique Lordship of God and is therefore incompatible with communion with God "(Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2113, cf. 2110-2112, 2114).

By: labowu

labowu — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:16:46 +0000

You're both wrong. Nobody is born with no sex occurred nine months earlier.

By: OPM

OPM — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:16:46 +0000

Yes, Lucas in the choice of words when he greeted Mary. The angel said: "kecharitomene" which would make no sense at all if Mary had been subject to sin or original sin. In addition, Lucas is going to pains to note that different from John John Mary with the Spirit from birth. He does not say Mary was, from its birth in the same sentence, but the Greek makes no sense at all, if Mary brought sin. Since the reform was considered neutral to translate as "for" a place full of grace, but not how to say, and underestimates the effect kecharitomene.
The conception of Jesus is celebrated the feast of the Annunciation on March 25, nine months before Christmas.

By: Brook

Brook — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:16:46 +0000

Yes, it refers to the Virgin Mary and she has confirmed herself when she appeared, I believe that children of France. Jesus is God and does not need any clarification for Divine Nature of His Immaculate, but in Virgin Mary's case, we have the moral right and obligation to teach and know for ourselves that our Lady is born out with the original for She and Her soul are protected by the Great Spirit from beginning to end. God bless,
P.S. I am not Catholic but Orthodox and Ethiopian Orthodox churches as all the large Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria also accepts Perpetual Virginity of Mary, her Immaculate Conception and son of the Godhead, as part of the Holy Trinity Mighty.
Catholic, I love to credit the Virgin Queen and the teaching of His State

By: lilith

lilith — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:16:46 +0000

I found-http: / / en.wikipedia.org / wiki / Immaculate_ …
Therefore, the terms are:
= Mary Immaculate conception
= Virginal conception of Jesus

By: jackaron

jackaron — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:16:46 +0000

Mary was conceived without sin in the womb of his mother by his Father Santa Ana San Joaquin. That is what is the Immaculate Conception.
You win.
The ad is what we call the concept of Jesus in Mary's womb by the Holy Spirit.

By: eelai000

eelai000 — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:16:46 +0000

you are right.
is illogical, but that is what it is.
Jesus was not born of a pure impure vessel, but, somehow, could mary.
is so flawed I do not know how well accepted.
The Immaculate Conception is in regard to the birth of Mary.

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