Comments on: Catholics, with deep respect for their beliefs, they do not know the scriptures that supports Mary ,…?

By: voyc4rmw

voyc4rmw — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:13:28 +0000

Assumption / 4 Immaculate Conception isn't Bible (he was a sinner like all humans, not an eternal virgin - who had children after Jesus). Catholics (CC) I think that is mentioned in Gen 3, but Mary was the mother of Jesus, not his wife (Jesus never married) and is dead [until Jesus returns, the dead rise 1st] and cannot help ANY1. Unfortunately, most of the practices of biblical CC RNT so the CC isn't Christian (dictionary definition. God Doesn't = Standard). I almost became Catholic and found it no better than the Protestant churches I grew up in.
The Bible warns us seriously not 2 people of confidence, even to ourselves, clergy, churches and scholars (Jer 10:2-5,23; Is 2:22, Job 12:11, Proverbs 14:12, Acts 17 : 11). So think carefully about what I say. Just do not believe or reject what I write. U could be saved from making the same mistake many, being trapped in religious beliefs that have nothing to do with 2 know God (poisoned tree / fruit).
HV meaningless rituals under the Covenant NT. Jewish rites were by God's instruction, the best 1 could do under the law of God (none in NT). Other religions (Christian, even many), either copied or invented rituals (the best humans could do within the limits of man). Perfect sacrifice of Jesus canceled the need for all rituals 4 / priests (make calls God a liar because it brings up failed in its mission of Jesus - Jesus is the only priest now). 2 The closest thing is the communion ritual but is not 2 b treated like a ritual as the b 2 treated more seriously (not the actual body of Jesus / blood - the belief Cc).
Many dont know the DIF. btwn made a ritual as a ritual and genuine "memory" - is not possible without knowing the actual instructions of Jesus Bible - absent in the teachings of CC (the CC has not written any of the NT [non-text CC - NT was written by 1st century Apostles (NT gospels / letters preserved of 4 not the whole truth CA) PPL Full CC possession was not until the 4th century], which contradicts his assertions. Jesus is about to be 1 in Spirit and ritual truth - God allowed 2 that the Bible despite its false teachings as Romans 2, allowed to fulfill the prophecy without your knowledge (which appear again today). A teacher may HV truth, but the action is superficial — The CC / other, like the Pharisees, they know 2 Clean the outside of the cup but do not understand how the inside is 2 b clean with respect actual message of Jesus 2. The fact that the CC / other religions hv one @ altar in the center of their practices is not 1 track of his being about rituals of truth.
The problem is that theres many religions or varieties of subsets. 1 days I realized that song b (ie there 1 Bible, reason why many interpretations? - II Peter 1: ** 19-21). Most religions came through PPL who devised 4 to God the things that / other liked. Some realized religion could B Good 2 control the masses and 4 other programs - but cannot teach much about religion or God (who cannot teach what I know). Who knows more about a home builder or moving in the future?
4 Christian, problems began when the apostles / disciples were exterminated or died during the 1st century (Christianity was illegal @ the time). In others the next century, either did not know Jesus or were less knowledgeable than the 1st generation of believers in Jesus and / or (un) intentionally added their own ideas or agendas, replacing the original believers. At the time DC became the religion a "state - Jn 18:36" recognized organized religion in the reign of Constantine (circa 325), most of what Jesus taught and the original apostles were no longer practiced.
The CC mixed in pagan religious practices and 2 please call in PPL, thus creating a new religion that the label "Christian / Catholic." CC, such as programs of other religions (mayve been some well-meaning) was mostly 2 control and 2 masses influence policy (II Tim 2: * 4, I John 2: * 15-17; Col 2: * 8 Jer 10: * 2-5). The CC states that has yet to give Bibles 4 more than a century b / c couldnt read why PPL has not yet teach PPL 2 read?
HV God and Jesus on the man has never been pleasant. In fact, the CC, RCC & OC made religions like the Pharisees, that Jesus was declared the most an abomination b / c they were about nice and not man to God (Mt 23:15; LK 16: 15). Even when the Protestant / other split DC remains the same format as bad CC.
Even Tho these churches got rid of some of the silly CC still did not know much about Jesus (more biblical instructions jumped 4 different programs), nor were 2, the Bible 2 find all the instructions of Jesus [a big mistake, because 'Re fulfillment of prophecies against their practices (Amos 8: * 11; Jr 12: * 10: 5: * 9 (houses large churches r - Mt 24: * 1-2); Os 4: * 6: Mark 7:1 -23 (John 3: * 3,5 & Ez 36:24-27, * 26), Luke 16: ** 15 (see Rev 21:27, Jer 10: ** 2-5; is 1: * 11 to 15)].
2 Grand CC lies:
1. The CC claims 2 b of the 1st and the church because the church r longer exists, r the only "official" church. Apostles of Jesus never called on his Catholic church (not in the Bible, nor in line with the message of God that never changes) and ever CC practice religious rituals. Hardly original Apostle difference btwn 250 years of Jesus from the church and the start of the official CC - there4, CC was never a real part or 1st Christian Church (Not a label, title, name, history, # of members, the amount of time that existed or claims made by them means something (U can call anything). What is your practice that makes it all the truth or falsehood. A dictionary definition. doesn't necessarily include the full definition of God / use of a (His word or exceptions to it). I mean, Jesus and the biblical prophets were not Muslims, no matter what Islam says and affirmation of the CC of the veneration of saints / Mary is a form of matter idolitry not what they say (calling a dog God doesn't make God).
2. Peter never was a Pope or was, or apostles, some never members of the CC (not in the Bible = no apostolic succession) the use of the word pope is an invention Cc - The Bible teaches us not go beyond 2 Written what (I Corinthians 4:6, Revelation 22:18-19 - CC call * * isn't oral teaching of the Bible). Peter never was a bishop of the CC (who died about 250 years b4 DC became a church). Peter wouldnt call himself a Pope or a member of the CC b / c 1self called "Holy" Father and other teachings CC abominations R (combo of rituals / false priests - Paul meant it was as a father is not Cc a holy father). Even the devil knows that Jesus is the Son of God, that 1 b 2 wise not to trust any church ahead of what's in the Bible. Call urself Christian / u believe in Jesus saying that doesn't make it true - recital of words means nothing (Matthew 23:2 says, do not say what they [were under Pharisee leaders] - now we r bad practices Pharisee to follow the biblical teachings of Jesus [u can get out of DC - Luke 10:16 - He who rejects Jesus / His biblical teachings reject Christ - whether a person / church isn't listening 2 Jesus then not listen to 2]).
More errors CC:
Mass (not in the Bible) is full of biblical rituals, statues (IN2 God isn't dead things - non-living things can not help or save ANY1 - praying they abominations 2/using r), the Rosary and pearls, mother of the birth of Mary (Jesus' virgin 2) as an advocate (Jesus is the only way to God 2 - not his apostles / disciples - Jn 14:6, 5:39; 10:1,7, Acts 4:12; is 1 ), candles, incense, the cross (the symbol of the curse in place of Jesus and 4 the same argument against the statues), making the sign of the cross, holy water, the Stations of the Cross, / another leader is Pope clothing they wear, ring, confirmation, the trinity, creed CC / other documents, the increase PPL (PPL especially dead) 2 the status of "holy" (only God / Jesus as the author HV), nuns, monks , purgatory, catechisms, devotional, Sacraments, Eucharist, penance, traditional-type repetitive prayers / songs and other things that make RNT in the Bible - cancels any truth they know.
Religion is based on what the man likes, not Jesus' instructions. The result is few b saved through most of them (u cannot keep urself ur own initiative or good works save u - theres nothing good in a man - Rom 1:23). 1 must b very careful not to get caught up in 2 or 2 is different denominations (especially if u dont hv a good handle on what is actually written in the Bible), because it will add 2 UR confusion.
Religions CB / made many fatal mistakes doesn't mean God doesn't know what he's doing. Many missed this: Jesus is 1 only in the story that said no1 can find our true God but by Jesus (John 14:6, 5:39; 10:1,7, Acts 4:11). This means "the" truth was complete and finished through what Jesus did. Therefore, all calls new teaching / other religious r & U cannot valid driver 2 God. The truth is that whether the truth or falsehood. O Jesus told the truth or is a false prophet, among many others, who should b account. It also means that God must exist and (He knows what he is doing or cannot b The God).
HV Jesus couldnt done and said what he did unless he was fully aware of the entire Old Testament (NT not yet exist @ the time of Jesus - Jesus the only way of couldve known throughout the Old Testament, God sent him). Apostles couldnt write the NT unless Jesus allowed them to know 2 and remember your purpose (Lk 24:25-27,45). Only God could do it.
No matter how well intentioned PPL (religious or not) read the Bible that Jesus cannot find without having to spend 2 Him through biblical instructions (Jn 5:39; 10:1,7; 3:3,5). Smarter than the man of God - the Bible is the only well understood Cannot 1b without Jesus (John 14:6, II Corinthians 3:14, is 29:11-12 - If you cannot PPL Jewish Pierce the veil on the Old Testament without Jesus, all gentiles cannot). Why your theres many interpretations and many ideas of his fairy tales (Jesus came with the sword of division).
voyc4rmwldrns

By: Farsight

Farsight — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:13:28 +0000

She is not divine. Catholics do not consider it divine. We simply believe that is a member of the body of believers, as in heaven and having made and raised God made man, is much closer to him than us. She can, in effect, "put in a good word for us.
When "pray" to Mary, what we are doing is asking Mary to pray for us. A "request" more archaic meaning of the word prayer. It's like Shakespeare used it in their works. It's how the courts still use today. And it is how we use it. It does not mean worship. A good example of a "sentence" Mary is "Maria, pray for us." If that's worship, then I serve my friends when I ask them to pray for me too, or I serve my grandfather when he I say that I miss. (from a few years ago)
It's asking a person to pray for you evil? No. Then where is the problem? Some people say it's dead and does not hear us, but we believe it is alive in heaven. Some say it is in heaven and we do not listen, but Psalm 29:1-2 is addressed to the angels in heaven. Why the Angels be able to hear us as the saints who are in the same place, can not? Others say that talking with the dead is necromancy, but that would make Christ guilty of necromancy, after speaking with several dead, like Lazarus, Moses and Elijah.
In the end, you can not have much in the way of writing that supports doing this, but there is nothing in Scripture that prohibits getting this right. This is one of the major differences between Catholics and other Christians. We Catholics look at what the Bible forbids and assume anything not listed is allowed. Other Christians tend to look at what Scripture means that any permits and no mention is prohibited.
So we look at the Bible and see that Mary asks that you pray for us is not prohibited and may be that, while others may look at the Bible and not see that says we should pray to Mary and therefore assume that prohibited.

By: cashelma

cashelma — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:13:28 +0000

Of all the saints of Christianity, Mary is, above all, human in the creation and even glorified by God because of his heroic confidence and in accordance with his will. We are inspired by his example of life and continuing with the intercession of his Son in our behalf.
Mary, the mother of Jesus, has a special place in the heart of every Catholic. Know what the Bible says about it, what the Church believes about Mary and how Catholics honor her.
Mary Given the importance in Christian history, the New Testament says little about it. What he says, however, speaks volumes.
The Magnificat of Mary has an emblem of hope and a sign of God's care for the downtrodden and oppressed worldwide.
Mary is mentioned as an example to the faithful by way peculiar in his life fully and responsibly accepted the word of God and did it …. She is worthy of imitation, because it was the first and most perfect of Christ's disciples.

By: Simon H

Simon H — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:13:28 +0000

Catholics do not consider Mary's divine. They also do not understand that Catholic teaching is based on the word of God, the Apostolic Tradition and Scripture. If you only accept the Bible as the only source of truth, then do not accept the complete word of God.
The early Christians revere saints.

By: 1Oᴄᴀᴎᴇ [God help the Giants]

1Oᴄᴀᴎᴇ [God help the Giants] — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:13:28 +0000

You will not find any passage in the Bible that support Mary as divine because there is none.
The thing is that we Catholics do not claim that it is divine. She is the highest of all the Saints, the Mother of God, the pure glass that gave birth to the Word of God, and so, naturally, has much pull with God.
Just as the early Christians believe in the Communion of Saints. We pray for each other, and we ask those in heaven (** such as the Blessed Virgin Mary **) to pray for us. Divinis never regret.

By: James O

James O — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:13:28 +0000

Catholicism teaches that Mary is divine, but the Mother of God incarnate, that Luther, Calvin, and most Protestants teaches the original founders
Catholics only worship and adore the Trinity
"All generations will call me blessed"
Hail Mary full of grace (all in favor of one)
"Who am I that the mother of my Lord comes to me"
Gospel of Luke

By: http://w

http://w — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:13:28 +0000

1) Catholics, with deep respect for their beliefs, I know of no scripture that supports Mary ,…?
… the mother of Jesus, being God anyway?
Specifically Catholics teach that Mary is not in any way divine.
2) knowledge of a Catholic should flow with the biblical doctrine, and I'm just wondering where in the Bible, Mary is given to the time of the salvation of the individual.
It does not matter, besides being the mother of Jesus, God's chosen instrument. Mary is not essential for salvation any Catholic - although it is seen as someone who can (through intercessory prayer) helps in saving someone like you or I could help the salvation of someone praying for them.
3) Also, praying to the saints in the Bible either. Not even once.
Quite the contrary - when it is realized that the word "pray" means nothing more than "request" (actually - it's true) that we see throughout the New Testament that the authors asked others to pray for them.
Understand that Roman Catholics believe that Mary is alive in heaven. They ask him to pray for them - as you might ask me to pray for you. Consider this: if you had taken the decision to ask me or Mary herself to pray for you - well, who would you choose? That's why Catholics pray to Mary - the belief that reads ** ** for them.
Jim http://www.bibleselector.com/c_approved. …

By: RayDaddy

RayDaddy — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:13:28 +0000

The angel Gabriel asks his blessing, favored one, full of grace! She was elected the son of God!
Luke 1: 42 - "Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
The Bible says about Mary
Luke 1: 48 - behold, henceforth all ages call me (Mary) blessed.
Go here http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/
Search for "Mary and the Bible - the Purgatory and the Bible" on free tapes / CD or
Free MP3 downloads of other titles of Mary with biblical references
(example)
Mother of God
Psalm 68:4,19-20, Luke 1:41-43, John 20:28
Our Mother
Revelation 12:17
John 19:26-27
Queen of Heaven
Revelation 12:1, 5, 9, 13, 19:15-16
Genesis 3:15

By: lyn1136

lyn1136 — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:13:28 +0000

Mary is the creature, like us. (Shinigami: I think it's the logo that disturbs them).
Mary is not divine!
Dogma 261) is permissible and profitable to venerate the saints, and to invoke his intercession. (In good faith.)
Dogma 262) is permissible and profitable to venerate the relics of saints. (In good faith.)
Dogma 263) is permissible and profitable to venerate images of saints. (In good faith.)
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To know that Mary is, first you need to know who God is.
He has told us through prophecy, He is eternal, perfect, immaculate, all beautiful. Absolutely and completely God loves his creatures, angels and men. The perfection of God is offended by the imperfection, sin.
Since the attacks without Perfect Justice, Goodness of God should receive the goodness of man in contrast, not the reverse. Free man caused himself for the sin of being imperfect in the eyes of God. The man understands the lost relationship with God. God would never create the earth, a human man.
God's love for man was after sin, and God's mercy expressed future for man. The man asked him to offer to God the sweet smell of sacrifice and offer the best man's possessions as proof of good will of man to God. For men, this was very difficult to do. Will selfish man had become corrupted. The lambs and things were better grown beautiful, beautiful life. But the man God would give anything to be back for good from God. The prophets asked how man could be restored in the eyes of God. They prayed, it was declared, had been expected. The man offered the burnt sacrifices to God. Over time, God would send a Messiah redeemer, who, necessarily, that the sacrifice to God the perfect sacrifice to himself, giving to man what man could not offer himself. The Messiah is God made man, the Logos. He who was perfect would be to reach the man who was flawed.
How can this be done?
If the birth of man, where one could find a perfect creature giving birth to the Messiah Perfect? If a perfect sinless creature to be seen again, God can give human generation (birth) the Son of man through the woman. But this is impossible, since God had marked all humanity. How could a creature without sin?
The world needs a perfect second Eve, she who never disobey God throughout his life, even the smallest sin. She would come to earth in the perfect will of God and love. God knew from eternity of the creature without sin. However, the creature was still marked with the sin of mankind and had not found favor in the eyes of God. How could the perfect son of God even allowed to be part of any creature carrying the inherited? Even a sin? But the man had suffered a long time for his offense. God has loved too much to expect more. Mary was conceived to be born of the House of David, the immediate descendant of Adam and Eve.
God raised the indelible original sin of Mary before the conception. It was immaculately conceived. She was the perfect Conception, where Eve was the perfect creation, full of sin and pure. Mary could, if wanted, make me the woman who allows God to redeem man. God sent an angel to ask. "Ave Maria," said the angel Gabriel, "full of grace, for you have found favor in the eyes of God." Perfect love of God came to him. She agreed to take the LOGOS to land.
Mary knew the Scriptures. She knew the boy was ready for the fall. She knew that the crucifixion. She knew the prophecies. She knew her son was born to die, to die for all mankind, to restore humanity in the eyes of the Creator. She was given the angel, "The Spirit of God overshadow you," the first mention of the Third Person of the Trinity. God was a Trinity! Creator, Son and Holy Spirit!
The rest is in the details.
But, oh, you might want to know about this the Incarnation.
Dogma 165) Mary was a virgin before, during and after the birth of Jesus Christ.
Dogma 168) Moreover, after the birth of Jesus Mary remained a Virgin. (In good faith.) Christ was born on the side of Mary, as Eve was from Adam's side, thus retaining her virginity

By: Meg M

Meg M — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:13:28 +0000

>> I know of no scripture that supports Mary, the mother of Jesus, being divine anyway <<
You are right. She is not God (a deity) and the Catholic Church teaches otherwise.