Comments on: Catholics, why pray for Mothermary and other saints?

By: J.P.

J.P. — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:44:58 +0000

To be dead is being alive in Christ. Heaven, therefore, is a place for the living, not dead. Those who have gone before, then, are not dead but alive.
Prayer, as defined by most Catholics, is simply the idea of talking to those in heaven, and should be viewed as no different from choosing a cell phone to call your mother. There would be no sin to call your mother on the phone and ask to pray for you, why there would be no sin on "vocation" of St. Thomas, an example of piety and intense devotion to understanding theology as a pray with you in the worship of One God. In this sense, is making the life of the saint is a particularly good example for your place in life to see God's glory.
Santos and Maria did not love. Signals are simply fatal to point us to the Route One, the Truth and the Life who is Jesus of Nazareth. They are reminders that we too can run the race - and win.
[Wow, you really can take the child outside the Catholic Catholic but never outta the boy ... like to believe I'm actually an atheist?]

By: karen_03

karen_03 — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:44:58 +0000

I am not Catholic, but I always wondered about that too.
Jesus said, in order to reach God you must go to him (Jesus) …. His first clearly expressed in the Bible …..

By: Church Music Girl

Church Music Girl — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:44:58 +0000

Catholics, myself included, are very vague and imprecise in our discourse. Not exactly praying to Mary and the saints, we ask God to pray with us.
Why we do that? For me, it comes down to psychology. How many people speak with their loved ones after they have died? If this sounds silly, think about what people do when they visit the grave of a person. As humans, we have to be connected, and often crave a connection to those who have died.
Leaving aside the Vatican lists and other things, the saints are merely men and women who have lived the life that we feel good and holy and exemplary for others. Some were known to some aspects of their lives, and we may think "what would-and-so do?" So I hope that his example and ask them to help us pray to God.
We certainly do not need to pray to the saints. (See, I just used vague language again.) For me personally, it is sometimes easier to make my prayer in the form of a conversation and know that humans of Mary and the others who actually lived on earth does a little easier for me. If you'll excuse the humor, Jesus never menstrated, and had no children. If I'm struggling with a problem like that and feel the need to help in my prayer, you probably want an example of a woman. I keep praying to God, just going on a certain way of training my prayer.
Do not worry - God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit is # 1. In no way, shape or form are either Mary or the saints or divine anywhere near the level of God.

By: DougLawr

DougLawr — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:44:58 +0000

Catholics are actually members of the family of God … and that the family extends from the land all the way to heaven.
Once baptized, we have the right to speak to any member of the church to choose from, including all three persons of the Trinity.
Everyone in heaven is God, and everyone in heaven is on the same page.
This takes nothing away from God, as God's grace is the only reason there are all saints.
The other reason to enlist the aid of those in heaven is because God often their grant applications, as well warranted, if not normally grant one of us, because we do not.
When that happens, it reallly is a miracle, and often life-changing for the better.
Salvation is not an event once. It is only the beginning.
In St. Paul, said, you should keep your eyes on the goal line, and the race to the finish.
It helps to have a few leaders heavenly joy rooting for you when things get tough.
In fact, it often makes the difference.
Either way, happens only by the grace of God, and according to their expressed will.
Protestants do not understand these things, because they missed the first 1500 years of Christianity, and then made there own colorful traditions, based solely on the misinterpretation of Scripture.
Pity.

By: Svetlana S

Svetlana S — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:44:58 +0000

The real question is, why pray at all?
Thanks forall the thumbs down … in the film The Island, one of the characters very well said … When asked what go0d is, he replied that God is that it ignores your prayers … God does not listen to their prayers … he knows his thuoghts, hopes and dreams and what they will say before saying it, right? So why listen?

By: Freebird

Freebird — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:44:58 +0000

In fact it was raised Catholic and was never fully expained me either. Mary is the intercessor before God, according to Catholic tradition. Beieve no longer in the present, and the best way to explain to you would be that the Catholic Church is an ancient Christian religion has become more involved in the tradition and the laws made by the rulers of the church. Some are good, others less so. A couple who do not agree with those preists not marry and also the prayer to Mary and the saints. There are many good things about Catholic beliefs, however, and I agree that all christianls are of one faith, is the fucking man-made religion that gets in the way

By: powerlif

powerlif — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:44:58 +0000

Jenny. We can talk directly to God. His prayer call. God wants a personal relationship with you. He is interested in every area of your life. He wants to be involved in every area of your life. All you need do is allow you to. Jenny suppose they are Catholics? If so get rid of it man made traditions and achieved in a chuch believe the Bible and become the woman God created you to be. Amen and Peace out ………………. We just have to pray to God and God alone. Mary can not save us, the Church can not save us and the saints can not save us. Read the Bible forget all the idols and works of the church says you should do. When reading the Bible and get into a relationship with the Lord everything will fall into place. Again, Amen and Peace out ………..

By: jennyedo

jennyedo — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:44:58 +0000

is largely because we are not good enough to speak directly with God.

By: Daver

Daver — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:44:58 +0000

God wants and responds to our subordinates Mediation / Intercessory Prayer
1 Timothy 2:1-2 - because Jesus is the only mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5), many Protestants deny the Catholic belief that saints on earth and in heaven can mediate our name. But before Paul's teaching about Jesus as the mediator "one," Paul urges supplications, prayers, intercessions and thanksgiving for all people. De Paul is thus appealing for mediation from others besides Christ, the only mediator. Why?
1 Tim 2:3 - because this subordinate mediation is good and pleases God our Savior. Because God is our Father and we are his children, God invites us to participate in Christ's role as mediator.
1 Tim. 2:5 - therefore, although Jesus is the only mediator between God and man, there are many intercessors (subordinate mediators).
1 Cor. 3:9 - God invites us to participate in the work of Christ, because they are of God "colleagues" and a family in the body of Christ. Wants his children to participate. The phrase used to describe "fellow workers" is "sunergoi" which literally means synergists, or cooperators with God in matters of salvation. Does God need fellow workers? Of course not, but this shows how much He, as Father, loves his children. God wants us to work with him.
Mark 16:20 - This is another example of how the Lord worked with them "(" sunergountos "). God cooperates with us. Outside of his eternal love, He invites us to participate.
Rom. 8:28 - God "for good" (the Greek is "eis sunergei Agathon") those who love him. We work as subordinate mediators.
2 Cor. 6:1 - "working together" (the Greek is "sunergountes") with him, accept his grace in vain. God allows us to participate in its work, not because they need our help, but because He loves us and wants to exalt us in His Son. It's like the father who leaves his son to join him in carrying the groceries into the house. The father needs help, but it encourages your child to help raise the child in dignity and love.
Heb. 12:1 - "the cloud of witnesses" (neph marturon) that we are surrounded by a large circle of witnesses for the race of the earth, and actively participate and encourage us (the runners) on, in our rush to salvation.
1 Peter 2:5 - we are a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices responsible to God. Therefore subordinate priests to the high priest, but we are still priests who participate in Christ's work of redemption.
Revelation 1:6, 5:10 - Jesus made us a kingdom of priests to God. Priests intercede through Christ on behalf of the people of God.
James 5:16, Proverbs 15:8, 29 - the prayers of the righteous (the saints) have powerful effects. This is why we ask for your prayers. How much more powerful are the prayers of the saints in heaven, where justice has been perfected.
1 Timothy 2:5-6 - therefore, it is because Jesus Christ is the only mediator before God that we can be subordinate mediators. Jesus is the reason. The Catholic position which gives more glory to Jesus. It does everything but loves us so much that He desires our participation.

By: Jon C

Jon C — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:44:58 +0000

I always thought of it as the saints and Mary his message and add your own power of prayer.