http://www.romancatholicresources.com/2009/10/what-pray-to-the-saints-the-bible-directs-us-to-invoke-those-in-heaven-and-ask-them-to-pray-with-us/ Books, Magazines, and Audio, and Video Resources for Catholics Sat, 26 May 2012 12:37:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 http://www.romancatholicresources.com/2009/10/what-pray-to-the-saints-the-bible-directs-us-to-invoke-those-in-heaven-and-ask-them-to-pray-with-us/comment-page-1/#comment-53427 Bruce Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:15:35 +0000 http://www.romancatholicresources.com/2009/10/what-pray-to-the-saints-the-bible-directs-us-to-invoke-those-in-heaven-and-ask-them-to-pray-with-us/#comment-53427 Hello, Cashelmara,   The misunderstanding about "prayer" to the saints is derived from the ambiguity of the word "pray". Several centuries ago, meant simply pray asking. Today, pray means "having a conversation with God."   Therefore, a better way to phrase the question is, can we ask the saints to help? I doubt anyone will not make us any Christian saint here on earth for help. Christians are constantly asking other Christians for prayer, for walks, to help with the music, to get answers to questions.   The only question is if we ask the saints in heaven for help. The charge of necromancy, says Catholics are speaking with the dead. But Jesus emphatically denied that the saints are dead, and cited three Hebrew of the Old Testament saints (Matthew 22:31-32):   "But the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what God has said: 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob?" He is not God but of the living dead .   Since the saints are alive in heaven, we can ask prayers, like any other Christian, with this added thought from James 5:16:   Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another that ye may be healed. The prayer of the righteous man is powerful and effective.   Cheers,   Bruce Hello, Cashelmara,
  The misunderstanding about "prayer" to the saints is derived from the ambiguity of the word "pray". Several centuries ago, meant simply pray asking. Today, pray means "having a conversation with God."
  Therefore, a better way to phrase the question is, can we ask the saints to help? I doubt anyone will not make us any Christian saint here on earth for help. Christians are constantly asking other Christians for prayer, for walks, to help with the music, to get answers to questions.
  The only question is if we ask the saints in heaven for help. The charge of necromancy, says Catholics are speaking with the dead. But Jesus emphatically denied that the saints are dead, and cited three Hebrew of the Old Testament saints (Matthew 22:31-32):
  "But the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what God has said: 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob?" He is not God but of the living dead .
  Since the saints are alive in heaven, we can ask prayers, like any other Christian, with this added thought from James 5:16:
  Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another that ye may be healed. The prayer of the righteous man is powerful and effective.
  Cheers,
  Bruce

]]> http://www.romancatholicresources.com/2009/10/what-pray-to-the-saints-the-bible-directs-us-to-invoke-those-in-heaven-and-ask-them-to-pray-with-us/comment-page-1/#comment-53428 Makemeas Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:15:35 +0000 http://www.romancatholicresources.com/2009/10/what-pray-to-the-saints-the-bible-directs-us-to-invoke-those-in-heaven-and-ask-them-to-pray-with-us/#comment-53428 I think the big misconception is the use of the word Ore. Protestant automatically hear "worship" when you say "pray."   I prefer to say we ask for their intercession. I think the big misconception is the use of the word Ore. Protestant automatically hear "worship" when you say "pray."
  I prefer to say we ask for their intercession.

]]> http://www.romancatholicresources.com/2009/10/what-pray-to-the-saints-the-bible-directs-us-to-invoke-those-in-heaven-and-ask-them-to-pray-with-us/comment-page-1/#comment-53429 Percepti Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:15:35 +0000 http://www.romancatholicresources.com/2009/10/what-pray-to-the-saints-the-bible-directs-us-to-invoke-those-in-heaven-and-ask-them-to-pray-with-us/#comment-53429 Protestants just love to protest against everything Catholic. without rhyme or reason. This is how they see their purpose in life. Protest is a long tradition among Protestants. Protestants just love to protest against everything Catholic. without rhyme or reason. This is how they see their purpose in life. Protest is a long tradition among Protestants.

]]> http://www.romancatholicresources.com/2009/10/what-pray-to-the-saints-the-bible-directs-us-to-invoke-those-in-heaven-and-ask-them-to-pray-with-us/comment-page-1/#comment-53430 SunnyMoo Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:15:35 +0000 http://www.romancatholicresources.com/2009/10/what-pray-to-the-saints-the-bible-directs-us-to-invoke-those-in-heaven-and-ask-them-to-pray-with-us/#comment-53430 I agree. I guess that we all need all the help we can get. I agree. I guess that we all need all the help we can get.

]]> http://www.romancatholicresources.com/2009/10/what-pray-to-the-saints-the-bible-directs-us-to-invoke-those-in-heaven-and-ask-them-to-pray-with-us/comment-page-1/#comment-53431 fenian19 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:15:35 +0000 http://www.romancatholicresources.com/2009/10/what-pray-to-the-saints-the-bible-directs-us-to-invoke-those-in-heaven-and-ask-them-to-pray-with-us/#comment-53431 is of course right, but unfortunately still very sadly some come with one thing or another and not what the church teaches is not even what Scripture teaches us. confuse saying how they call themselves "Bible Christians", but c'est la vie. OU sepersted hope brothers and sisters in Christ is the ride home, if not still in our prayers. and no I'm not saying that Catholics can be saved only, never teaching of the Church but the Catholic Church is the fullnes of truth.   today i read a question about saving once ........ Does not this mean that the person making the decision to be saved and not the decision of Jesus ......... only a passing thought. is of course right, but unfortunately still very sadly some come with one thing or another and not what the church teaches is not even what Scripture teaches us. confuse saying how they call themselves "Bible Christians", but c'est la vie. OU sepersted hope brothers and sisters in Christ is the ride home, if not still in our prayers. and no I'm not saying that Catholics can be saved only, never teaching of the Church but the Catholic Church is the fullnes of truth.
  today i read a question about saving once …….. Does not this mean that the person making the decision to be saved and not the decision of Jesus ……… only a passing thought.

]]> http://www.romancatholicresources.com/2009/10/what-pray-to-the-saints-the-bible-directs-us-to-invoke-those-in-heaven-and-ask-them-to-pray-with-us/comment-page-1/#comment-53432 Spiffs Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:15:35 +0000 http://www.romancatholicresources.com/2009/10/what-pray-to-the-saints-the-bible-directs-us-to-invoke-those-in-heaven-and-ask-them-to-pray-with-us/#comment-53432 Praying to the saints, it makes sense to me. They are with us in the body of Christ. One in him are family. Some objects are dead, but they are not in a sense, more full of life then? Those who see God face to face in the beatific vision? Those who possess the Author of Life?   I think it's a beautiful tradition and reality. Even death can not separate any of those who love God. We are one in Him who is Love itself. That is the essence of the intercession of the saints. Praying to the saints, it makes sense to me. They are with us in the body of Christ. One in him are family. Some objects are dead, but they are not in a sense, more full of life then? Those who see God face to face in the beatific vision? Those who possess the Author of Life?
  I think it's a beautiful tradition and reality. Even death can not separate any of those who love God. We are one in Him who is Love itself. That is the essence of the intercession of the saints.

]]> http://www.romancatholicresources.com/2009/10/what-pray-to-the-saints-the-bible-directs-us-to-invoke-those-in-heaven-and-ask-them-to-pray-with-us/comment-page-1/#comment-53433 Miserere nobis et totius mundi Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:15:35 +0000 http://www.romancatholicresources.com/2009/10/what-pray-to-the-saints-the-bible-directs-us-to-invoke-those-in-heaven-and-ask-them-to-pray-with-us/#comment-53433 "And as for the dead being raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage of the bush, how God told him:" I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob? "He is not God of the dead but of the living ... ' "(Mark 12:26-27)   "Pray at all times in the Spirit with all prayer and supplication. To this end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all saints, and for me ... "(Ephesians 6:18).   "Therefore, since we are surrounded such a great cloud of witnesses, we must also put aside every weight and sin that so easily entangles us ...", (Hebrews 12:1).   "And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints ..." (Revelation 5 : 8). "And as for the dead being raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage of the bush, how God told him:" I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob? "He is not God of the dead but of the living … ' "(Mark 12:26-27)
  "Pray at all times in the Spirit with all prayer and supplication. To this end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all saints, and for me … "(Ephesians 6:18).
  "Therefore, since we are surrounded such a great cloud of witnesses, we must also put aside every weight and sin that so easily entangles us …", (Hebrews 12:1).
  "And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints …" (Revelation 5 : 8).

]]> http://www.romancatholicresources.com/2009/10/what-pray-to-the-saints-the-bible-directs-us-to-invoke-those-in-heaven-and-ask-them-to-pray-with-us/comment-page-1/#comment-53434 cristoig Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:15:35 +0000 http://www.romancatholicresources.com/2009/10/what-pray-to-the-saints-the-bible-directs-us-to-invoke-those-in-heaven-and-ask-them-to-pray-with-us/#comment-53434 First, it is wrong to say that the practice of praying for others is not a biblical foundation, you know that we are taught in Scripture to a life of prayer for others, it is part of God's commandment to love one another .   (2 Corinthians 5:8 DRB), but we are safe and have a willingness to be absent in the body and be present with the Lord.   The Catholic Church teaches that it is absolutely necessary for one to seek the intercession of the saints for salvation. The Church teaches that prayer to God is necessary for salvation for all believers. For a Catholic who would be a mistake to ignore the liturgical worship offered to God in the days of feast of Saints and prayers to ask for her intercession.   The Communion of Saints is an ancient church dogma and is registered in the Apostles' Creed. It simply says that the faithful because of his relationship with Christ is alive, even after the death of his flesh and worship with us. For us, the Church is composed of the Church Militant which represents all believers live their hope in the flesh.   (Phi 2:12 DRB) Therefore, my beloved, (as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence), with fear and trembling work out your salvation.   (Phi 2:13 DRB) For it is God who worketh in you both to will and carry out, according to his good pleasure.   This is the Church who are suffering and those who are temporarily in need of further purification of sin so they can enjoy God's presence.   (2MA DRB 12:46) Therefore, it is a holy and a wholesome thought to pray for the dead, who are free from sins.   Finally, the communion of Saints consists of those who have won the race:   (Phi 3:14 DRB) I press toward the mark, the prize of the supernatural vocation of God in Christ Jesus.   Their immortal souls are in heaven in God's presence:   (Rev 5:8 DRB) And when he opened the book, the four living creatures and the elders fell down before the Lamb, each one of them harps and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.   The universal current that connects all of God's creation is His love that we made at our baptism in our path to sainthood. This is not emotional, but a desire placed in us by the Spirit of God remains a desire for other people than ourselves and that love extends even to our enemies. This is really a love that comes only from God and is an alien and meaningless to those who have not received God's saving grace. This desire in our souls do not end with the death of our flesh, but continues in eternity where the saints through her intercession in prayer, encourage us in our career and help us to endure until the union with God.   I think some people of faith who do not understand the Communion of Saints, somehow I think that asking saints to pray for us is to withdraw our love or our trust in God. It is indeed impossible, if you really love as God commands and has given us the grace to understand, not to pray to those we love and yet we expect them to return the same love that we pray for ourselves and present our prayers to God .   In Christ   Fr Joseph First, it is wrong to say that the practice of praying for others is not a biblical foundation, you know that we are taught in Scripture to a life of prayer for others, it is part of God's commandment to love one another .
  (2 Corinthians 5:8 DRB), but we are safe and have a willingness to be absent in the body and be present with the Lord.
  The Catholic Church teaches that it is absolutely necessary for one to seek the intercession of the saints for salvation. The Church teaches that prayer to God is necessary for salvation for all believers. For a Catholic who would be a mistake to ignore the liturgical worship offered to God in the days of feast of Saints and prayers to ask for her intercession.
  The Communion of Saints is an ancient church dogma and is registered in the Apostles' Creed. It simply says that the faithful because of his relationship with Christ is alive, even after the death of his flesh and worship with us. For us, the Church is composed of the Church Militant which represents all believers live their hope in the flesh.
  (Phi 2:12 DRB) Therefore, my beloved, (as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence), with fear and trembling work out your salvation.
  (Phi 2:13 DRB) For it is God who worketh in you both to will and carry out, according to his good pleasure.
  This is the Church who are suffering and those who are temporarily in need of further purification of sin so they can enjoy God's presence.
  (2MA DRB 12:46) Therefore, it is a holy and a wholesome thought to pray for the dead, who are free from sins.
  Finally, the communion of Saints consists of those who have won the race:
  (Phi 3:14 DRB) I press toward the mark, the prize of the supernatural vocation of God in Christ Jesus.
  Their immortal souls are in heaven in God's presence:
  (Rev 5:8 DRB) And when he opened the book, the four living creatures and the elders fell down before the Lamb, each one of them harps and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
  The universal current that connects all of God's creation is His love that we made at our baptism in our path to sainthood. This is not emotional, but a desire placed in us by the Spirit of God remains a desire for other people than ourselves and that love extends even to our enemies. This is really a love that comes only from God and is an alien and meaningless to those who have not received God's saving grace. This desire in our souls do not end with the death of our flesh, but continues in eternity where the saints through her intercession in prayer, encourage us in our career and help us to endure until the union with God.
  I think some people of faith who do not understand the Communion of Saints, somehow I think that asking saints to pray for us is to withdraw our love or our trust in God. It is indeed impossible, if you really love as God commands and has given us the grace to understand, not to pray to those we love and yet we expect them to return the same love that we pray for ourselves and present our prayers to God .
  In Christ
  Fr Joseph

]]> http://www.romancatholicresources.com/2009/10/what-pray-to-the-saints-the-bible-directs-us-to-invoke-those-in-heaven-and-ask-them-to-pray-with-us/comment-page-1/#comment-53435 sweetie2 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:15:35 +0000 http://www.romancatholicresources.com/2009/10/what-pray-to-the-saints-the-bible-directs-us-to-invoke-those-in-heaven-and-ask-them-to-pray-with-us/#comment-53435 He prays directly to God and in the name of Jesus, not saints ...   There is one mediator between God and man the man Christ Jesus. He prays directly to God and in the name of Jesus, not saints …
  There is one mediator between God and man the man Christ Jesus.

]]> http://www.romancatholicresources.com/2009/10/what-pray-to-the-saints-the-bible-directs-us-to-invoke-those-in-heaven-and-ask-them-to-pray-with-us/comment-page-1/#comment-53436 byHisgra Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:15:35 +0000 http://www.romancatholicresources.com/2009/10/what-pray-to-the-saints-the-bible-directs-us-to-invoke-those-in-heaven-and-ask-them-to-pray-with-us/#comment-53436 Do not you know that all believers in Jesus are saints? There are living saints, who pray for each other. Not the dead. Unable to communicate with the dead.   Read John 17   Since Jesus prayed a prayer of intercession for us! He is the only way to the Father, no one else, heaven or earth! Do not you know that all believers in Jesus are saints? There are living saints, who pray for each other. Not the dead. Unable to communicate with the dead.
  Read John 17
  Since Jesus prayed a prayer of intercession for us! He is the only way to the Father, no one else, heaven or earth!

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