Why can not the Catholic Church a little cleaner admit that the Inquisition and the torture of people was wrong?
- Is not it funny that Einstein had to admit he was wrong and a Catholic, was right?
- What is wrong with torture?
- The Catholic Church does not admit that Mary Magdaline was Demoin possession?
- Why the Roman Catholic Church, Women Do not admit to the priesthood?
- Authorizes the Vatican for the Catholic Church to help people illegally enter the Usa ….?
Because they are hypocrites, I was given a link to a list of "Great Christians" and that once included the astronomer and scientist Galileo was tortured by the inquistion because it suggested that the world was round, this question was like watching all our wonderful students.
I am non-denominational Christian, and I agree with
point, however, when it's going to happen?
Look, all the great religions have skeletons in the old
cabinet, however, the days are longer for Christians, including Catholics.
What to consider and understand is this question:
Today, in 2008, that religions are
Continue to practice killing and bloodshed?
Those religions which manifest a peaceful nature should be
alone - we can not go beating people for what the other
generation not long ago. However, if any religious organization is still causing blood to spill, then that must be addressed.
The past is done and over: look at today's news.
Why not real and you know the facts. The Catholic Church apologized for its past indiscretions. What other church has done this? The communist in the former Soviet Union twisted facts to keep people in darkness, as they are doing here with his distortion of facts about the Catholic Church. Do some research before you sling mud.
If someone is Catholic does something wrong, why do you think that is is because the Church is sponsoring this?
They have not admitted he was wrong?!
Wow a Catholic, I can say that if this is true, then someone should look again. I think all torture and violence is certainly negative and God did not want that to happen to their children:)
Light of love and peace
Where have you been? Pope John Paul II has done in publishing an apology on behalf of the Church, March 2000.http: / / abcnews.go.com / International / Papa …
Edit: My, my, such a drama. See the reply Simon.
cleanly the Catholic Church has admitted that the Inquisition was not a good thing. Some websites are not reliable in that fact though. Do not always trust that I have read Catholic websites. I'm Catholic by the way
I recently read an article that Condoleezza Rice was defending the imprisonment and torture of suspected terrorists.
As is happening now, it might be better served to focus on that.
A couple of years ago, the Vatican apologized for the torture and deaths in the burning Wiccans call it "time" not exactly say they were wrong, but killing many innocent people
Because it is understood that the Pope was infallible.
Is not it obvious? Ask anyone if the German Holocaust was evil. You will not have a lot of arguments.
I would like to see …
Pope John Paul II, "The Inquisition belongs to a tormented phase in the history of the Church, which. . . Christians [should] examine in a spirit of sincerity and openness. "
Does this sound "defensive"?
I think not.
Does this sound like "damage control [limitations]"?
I think not.
Does this "dilute [water down]" gravity?
I think not.
It shows the spirit of openness, the willingness of introspection and willingness to learn from previous mistakes.
After all, Errare humanum est err is human, and even Torquemada was a human being. So, how long will keep flogging this dead horse?
Apologists has everything everywhere. Do they represent the entire community? I think not.
So, if you will some pleasure, I say that Torquemada was wrong for doing that and totally out of step with the Master's teaching.
But does that make you happy?
Would you now like to ask Muslims what is right the work of Al Queda and is consistent with Islam?
Trust me, you do not like when you answer. Especially if you happen to live in an Islamic country. Although this is another dead horse to flog.
Count your blessings that live here and have the freedom to shoot your mouth and show his "scholarship".
Peace.
ST
PS,
In my anger at being provoked, it is very wrong of me, I forgot about as simple as this has already been answered.
In March 2000, Pope John Paul II asked forgiveness for wrongs committed in the name of the Church in the last two millennia, as the Inquisition, the Crusades and the persecution of the Jews.
Does this make you happy now?
By the way, thanks for your thumb down.
I think everybody knows where you're coming from now.
PPS,
Can you please enlighten me as to how many people were "burned at the stake"
People like you have been throwing mud at the Church for centuries.
Martin Luther was "burned at the stake"?
He did more than an apology, shook the very foundations of the Church.
So, puh-lease, do not try to be dramatic.
But today, even now, try to criticize al Qaeda or order the magnet to apologize for 9 / 11 or the pump station or the atrocities and see where you get!?
Are we stoning women to death claiming they were adulterers? Are we hanging gays? Are we committing "honor killings"? Are we flying planes into buildings? Are we bombing trains?
I'm talking about today.
However, he thinks it more important to have something that someone did for centuries and sling mud on us?
Why?
Because you do not have the guts to ask for things that really matter.
Please forgive me, but I do not like cowards and supporters like you.
Please try an Islamic country and see how "religion" can take away your "freedom of expression."
He seems to forget that it was the Christians who gave you these rights, on the road. And Christians who have worked hard to build those countries where all can live together in peace.
If you are grateful for this or not, remains a fact.
The following lines taken from the article shows that the Church admits that the Inquisition was bad, but it was committed by "all kinds of sinners and scoundrels" who somehow obtain positions of responsibility. This position of responsibility includes the papacy.
"What you need to make is that the Church contains within itself all kinds of sinners and rogues, and some of them to obtain positions of responsibility. Paul and Christ himself warned us that there would be a few hungry wolves among Church leaders (Acts 20:29, Matt. 7:15). "
We should bear in mind that even the first twelve disciples of Christ, Judas was among them. The presence of Judas does not deny the
the divinity of Jesus.
I think it really means is that because of the Inquisition occurred, so the Catholic Church is not the true Church. This is what the article referred to some Protestants also practiced the Inquisition. Some Protestant groups are saying they are the true Church, because the Catholic Church is guilty of practicing the Inquisition. But they (Protestants) has also committed Inquisition. Thus, the article says that both parties committed Inquistion and the question of the legitimacy of the Christian churches should be said on a plot of "different".
<<How clean and say that it is criminal and completely unscriptural bad, not Christian.>>
Have you crossed your mind that maybe the "facts" need "smoothing" to better represent what actually happened?
It's been hundreds of years, and most people function in society have little historical perspective or not to speak of. In other words, they have no idea what happened, and more than you.
They assumptions, some of them - like you - are inherently anti-Catholic assumptions. That will cause your ilk to gravitate toward whatever information "can unearth that is more in line with its anti-Catholic presumption.
In simpler terms, while actually claim to be interested, you're not. All we seek is information that affirms a view that is, no matter what the facts actually say.
Now, let's assume that - for a moment - the Inquisition happened exactly the way you think it did. . . So what? Griff gave me no about it - I was not there. I am not responsible for any atrocities that occurred in connection with the Inquisition, and neither are any of the other Catholics living today.
Catholics Hastling this day probably makes you feel all self-righteous, a great man - You know, the kind of "ladies" impressive. . .
Facts and truth are what they are, whether anyone is misrepresenting them.
I like to compare your value system to the church.
Much of the known facts you cite were propaganda for English Protestants to justify piracy Spanish treasure galleons. The Bible says that children can not be prosecuted for any errors or sins of the fathers, their morale is obviously superior to the standards of God and Satan, as you are a prosecutor of the Inquisition brethren.because was ages ago, but still hatred.
He has ignored the activities of Christians with socialist atheists like Hitler and Stalin, why.
Should not you be attacking the Socialists and Liberals
Over 50,000,000 American children have been killed in the womb should not be condemning liberal politicians responsible for this slaughter so great? Do you consider yourself to be a dealer or an enlightened liberal hate? You say that the church was wrong but do not provide evidence of Scripture and I wonder where he got his degree in theology could give their credentials?
I concur.However Protestant states in Calvin and Zwingli, were not much different.They punished anyone who did not attend church, indeed all citizens are members of the church and tortured, imprisoned and burned Anabaptists.
Both churches need up.They own only difference is that not all Protestant groups did, but a few, as every Catholic church in every country have tortured and killed.
The person above can not be blamed for the crimes of the Catholic Church in few.It to a poor Inquistation excuse.The was supported by priests, nuns, monks and kings.
The false propaganda of the Protestant Inquisition has been burned out of proportion, and are unaware of the atrocities committed by fanatical reformers are historically documented, not only dreamed of myths.
The Protestant Inquisition: "Reformation" Intolerance and persecution (all sources are Protestant historians) http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2006/11/p …
Experts estimate that the best story of 4000 or perhaps people were executed during the Inquisition and the majority were in the Spanish Inquisition, which was condemned by the Pope at the time.
Running never was and never will be a penalty in the Church of heresy or anything else. The most serious penalty the Church is excommunication.
Persons who during the Inquisition, who were executed were murdered by the state, not the church. Yes, there were priests who conspired with the state to execute some people. The most famous of which was Joan of Arc. The clerics who did things as they were sinning against God, the Church, and the executed. Joan of Arc did not die by the policy of the Church, but by the hands of corrupt state and an individual bishop and inquisitor.
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But in recent years of the Inquisition has been subject to further investigation. In preparation for the Jubilee in 2000, Pope John Paul II wanted to find out what happened during the time of (the Inquisition of the institution) existence. In 1998 the Vatican opened the archives of the Holy Office (the modern successor to the Inquisition) to a team of 30 specialists from around the world. Now at last the scholars have made their report, a 800-page tome that was unveiled at a press conference in Rome. His most striking conclusion is that the Inquisition was not so bad after all. Torture was rare and only 1 percent of those brought before the Spanish Inquisition were actually executed.
Rales and cynical mockery surprised to have received this report are just further proof of the lamentable gap between professional historians and the general public. The truth is that while this report makes use of previously unavailable materials, is merely repeating what many scholars have previously learned * from * another * European * files. Among the recent books on the subject are Edward Peters, Inquisition (1988) and Henry Kamen Spanish Inquisition (1997), but there are others.
In short, historians have always known that the popular view of the Inquisition is a myth.
The myth of the Spanish Inquisitionhttp: / / http://www.catholic.net/RCC/Periodicals/ http://www.catholic.net/RCC/Periodicals/ … …
(We mention the Protestant and secular historians)
Modern historians have long known that the popular view of the Inquisition is a myth. The Inquisition was in reality an attempt of the Catholic Church to stop unjust executions.
Heresy was a capital crime against the state. The rulers of the state, whose authority is believed to come from God, had no patience for heretics. Neither the common people, who saw heretics as dangerous foreigners who would bring down divine wrath.
When someone was accused of heresy in the Middle Ages, which were taken to the local lord for trial, as if he had stolen a pig. It was not easy to discern whether the defendant was really a heretic. The lord needed some basic theological training, very few did. The sad result is that countless thousands across Europe were executed by civil authorities without fair trial or a judge of the crime.
The Catholic Church's response to this problem was the Inquisition, an attempt to provide fair trials for accused heretics using the laws of evidence and presided over by judges with expertise.
From the perspective of secular authorities, heretics were traitors to God and king and therefore deserved death. From the perspective of the Church, however, heretics were lost sheep that had strayed from the pack. As shepherds, the pope and bishops had a duty to bring them back into the fold, like the Good Shepherd had commanded. So, while medieval secular leaders were trying to safeguard their kingdoms, the Church was trying to save souls. The Inquisition always a means to escape death to heretics and return to the community.
Most people tried for heresy by the Inquisition were acquitted or were suspended sentence. Those guilty of serious misconduct were allowed to confess their sins, do penance, and be returned to the body of Christ. The underlying assumption of the Inquisition, like lost sheep, heretics had simply strayed.
If, however, an inquisitor determined that a particular sheep had purposely left the flock, there was nothing they could do. Unrepentant or obstinate heretics were excommunicated and turned over to secular authorities. Despite popular myth, the Inquisition burned heretics. It was the secular authorities that held heresy to be a capital offense, and not the church. The simple fact is that the medieval Inquisition saved uncounted thousands of innocent (and even not so innocent) people who would otherwise have been roasted by secular lords or mob rule.
Where does this myth? After 1530, the Inquisition began to turn its attention to the new heresy of Lutheranism. It was the Protestant Reformation and the rivalries that led to give birth to myth. Innumerable books and pamphlets poured from the presses of the Protestant countries at war with Spain, accusing the Spanish Inquisition of the inhuman depravity and horrible atrocities in the New World.
For more information see:
The real Inquisition, Thomas F. Madden, National Review (2004) http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/ma …
Inquisition by Edward Peters (1988)
The Spanish Inquisition by Henry Kamen (1997)
The Spanish Inquisition: Fact Versus Fiction, by Marvin R. O'Connell (1996): http://www.catholiceducation.org/article …
With love in Christ.
All religions have much to answer for:
The Crusades.
The Inquisition.
Witch trials in Europe and America.
The Divine Right of Kings (valid until killed by another divinely appointed King).
Missionaries destroying / converting smaller, "heathen" religions and cultures.
Missionaries such as Mother Teresa.
The demonization of other religions, eg Christianity demonizing Pagans ( "They are worshipers of the devil!"), The Romans demonizing Christians ( "They're atheists and cannibals!").
Persecution of Heretics - eg Galileo for daring to suggest that the earth revolves around the sun.
Children dying because their parents refused medical treatment on religious grounds, relying instead on faith-healers and prayer.
Slavery, supposedly supported by scripture ( "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, as you would obey Christ." St. Paul, Ephesians 6:5)
Holy wars - followers of different religions (or even the same faith) killing each other in the name of their (benevolent, loving and merciful) gods.
The destruction of great works of art considered to be pornographic / blasphemous, and the persecution of artists.
Censorship (often destructive) of speech, art, books, music, movies, poetry, songs, and, if possible, thought.
Persecution or punishment of blasphemers (Salman Rushdie still has a death sentence on him), and the blasphemy laws in general.
The requirement of theism in order to present public office or testify in court.
Serial murderers believe they are doing the work of Satan (or sometimes Jesus).
Often fatal exorcisms by priests believing they are destroying the work of Satan.
People who suffer terrible injury or death in the belief that their faith has made them invulnerable (eg people climbing into lion cabinets in zoos, with a Bible as protection).
Whole societies divided by minor differences in belief or doctrine, often resulting in violence.
The mass suicide of cult members following a charismatic leader who believes the world is about to end
The attempted genocide of followers of a particular faith (eg the Jewish Holocaust, "ethnic cleansing" in former Yugoslavia).
Blood sacrifice to appease the gods, or to ensure a good harvest. (The Aztecs made human sacrifices daily to make sure the Sun would rise. Or not?)
The practice of "female circumcision" (more accurately called female genital mutilation).
The discouragement of rational thought, critical (resulting in young-earth creationists, for example).
The uncontrolled population growth caused (or at least helped) by churches prohibiting birth control and abortion. (You can also add: unwanted pregnancies, ill-fated forced marriages, and pregnant teenagers condemned to a life in mental institutions to avoid embarrassing their families.)
The spread of sexually transmitted diseases (eg AIDS) due to churches prohibiting the use of condoms.
Believers whipping, impaling, poisoning or crucifying themselves during religious festivals as a demonstration of their faith and piety.
Suicide bombers taught to believe that martyrs go straight to Paradise.
The indoctrination of children in the religion of their parents, giving them an arbitrary, long-lived belief that is almost totally dependent on his birthplace.
Women treated as second class citizens or even slaves
Pentecostal snake handlers
Persecution of homosexuals
The abuse of power, authority and confidence of religious leaders (for financial gain or sexual abuse of followers and even children).
They are unwilling to do so because the next step would be to admit Baha'u'llah is Christ returned with a new name, and then are not willing to do that for the moment. I firmly believe that one of the potatoes was about to do just that and was preparing the church, but died mysteriously before he was able to complete what appeared to be his intention. He had been a series of writings of the Baha'i Faith. A number of his later encyclicals were almost word for word from the Bahá'í writings that preceded his encyclicals for decades. The Catholic hierarchy is well aware of the Baha'i Faith. I think the next decades will be very interesting.