Comments on: If the Catholic Church can get rid of purgatory, why is not celibacy, as well?

By: cybersle

cybersle — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:10:40 +0000

Here is something of a humorous note:
A young novice monk arrives at the monastery and as such all new monks, is assigned to assist their colleagues in copying the old canons and laws of the church by hand. He realizes, however, that all the monks are working from copies, not from the original manuscript.
So the new monk goes to the abbot to question this protocol, stating that if one were to do, but an insignificant error in the first copy, most likely never would have noticed. In fact, that error was continued until satiation in all subsequent backups.
The head monk replied, "We have been copying well for centuries, but that make a good point, my son."
So dark descends into the catacombs below the monastery where the original manuscript is stored in a locked box large that has not been opened for hundreds of years.
Hours pass, and the abbot of age is anywhere. Thus the young monk becomes concerned and decides to get off in search of him. He finds the old abbot fell on his buttocks hitting your head against the wall and the low moan, "We forgot the 'R' and the leg of the 'i' …
We forgot the 'R' and the leg the'i '… We forgot the 'R' and screwedup the 'i' … We forgot the 'R' … Forgot the 'R' … "
His forehead is covered with bruises and crying uncontrollably.
The young monk assesses the scene before him, stooping, the abbot has the jaw in the palm of your hand, looks into her eyes and asks: "Father, everything that worries you?
After regaining his breath, the frail old abbot gasps shouts: "The word is celebrate!"
For your information, purgatory is a creation of the RC Church for years as a tactic to raise funds. All I had to do to get the soul of a loved one to leave purgatory was to order a mass for them. Usually had a price. And, of course, the masses more, the better!

By: Armus

Armus — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:10:40 +0000

Christians seem to edit many gods do not.

By: Just passing through.

Just passing through. — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:10:40 +0000

The priesthood is not just a job is a vocation. The Church never got rid of purgatory. I do not know where you get your misinformation. Serving the priests of the Community. Can you imagine the conflict trying to serve a woman and the community?
I am glad that honest atheist which means there is hope for you Seriously, I would like you to take this into account. I have a friend who was a former atheist and now is a devout Roman Catholic. Keep asking the questions because his search for truth will bring home. Take care and God bless.

By: Search4t

Search4t — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:10:40 +0000

You, the resolution of celibacy is a papal bull of Gregory X. Strange an atheist is a man made tradition called the Church when in fact it views as a man made religion.

By: gailforc

gailforc — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:10:40 +0000

References to a place of purification (where his purging of their sins) are already at the beginning of the third century (Clement of Alexandria) and frequently referred to and after the canonization of the Bible (which decided which books should go to the Bible) in 390CE. Although no direct references to purgatory were elected in 390CE, it was recognized that the concept was worthy of joining the church publications. The Church, the Roman Catholic Church, it still includes his teachings on purgatory in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. I'm not exactly sure why some evangelicals are so quick to lie about their stay in the Catholic tradition, which seem to enjoy ridiculing believers enough you'd think they want to stay around.
I agree with you that Catholicism is more like a monarchy than any other Christian church that I am familiar. I'm pretty sure that if a papal bull was issued alowing priests to marry would be confirmed by the hierarchy. That said I think many of the religious orders include vows of chastity in their rights of initiation, so I'm not sure how much real change would be, but the practice of celibacy is committed effectivly.
That was an interesting question, I hope my answer helped!
Best regards,
Armus

By: Armus

Armus — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:10:40 +0000

Well you know the Bible about how people feel being gay or bisexual, as appropriate and be so proud of it, among other things. Celibacy, I would not have thought he knew what it meant or how to spell I'm very impressed. wow

By: Rocker Chick

Rocker Chick — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:10:40 +0000

The Catholic Church had abolished purgatory only downplays the teachings. Even there, however. Celibacy is a tradition and could be reversed if the Church really wanted to get rid of it. There is no overwhelming demand for it at the moment but sometime in the future could be and that the Church could change its views on the celibacy of its clergy. One might compare to the Catholic Church to the monarchy if you will, but the pope is not the king. The Pope is a representative of Christ on earth, the Vicar of Christ. He is only the latest in a long line of Catholic leaders from the apostle Peter who was the first leader of the Catholic Church. This line of succession has continued uninterrupted since then. So the church can put an end to celibacy, it is not a church dogma, but a tradition, but sees no need to do now.

By: Pop D

Pop D — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:10:40 +0000

I think it is time to do. It would relieve much of child abuse.

By: Anton Mathew

Anton Mathew — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:10:40 +0000

Of course, the Bible speaks of celibacy. It was a comon practice in St. Paul Jewish faith and encouraged him to continue the people who serve God in Christianity. The Church can not abolish mandatory celibacy and allow priests to marry, but right now it does not. The religious orders of the Catholic Church does not regulate whether members of religious orders, Order priests, nuns, monks, sisters and brothers are forced to remain celibate. Purgatory is a doctrine of the Church and can not be "eliminated."

By: Br. Rich SFO

Br. Rich SFO — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:10:40 +0000

The Catholic Church has a long history of picking and choosing which parts of the Bible they like or dislike. Celibacy is something that Paul suggested, but not mandatory.
Paul said in 1 Corinthians 7: 25-31, 36-40)
"The virgins, I have no commandment of the Lord, but give my opinion as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy. I think that in view of the impending crisis, it's good to stay as is. Are you bound to a wife? Do not want to be free. Are you free from a wife? Do not look for a wife. But if you marry, NO sin, and if you marry a virgin, not sin. However, those who marry will experience distress in this life, and I would like to spare. I mean, brothers and sisters, the time is short, from now on, let even those who have wives be as though they had none, and those who mourn as thought they were not mourning, and those who rejoice, as if not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they possessed, and those who deal with the world thought had no contact with her. For the current form of this world is ….
If anyone thinks that is not behaving properly toward his betrothed, if his passions are strong, so it must be, what he wishes to marry, not a sin. They marry. But if someone is steadfast in its determination, with no need, but with his own desire under control, and determined in his own mind to keep her as his girlfriend, he'll do well. So the man who marries his fiancee does well, and he who refrains from marriage will do better.
A wife is bound while her husband lives. But if the husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, only in the Lord. But my view is more blessed, if left as is. "(capitalization mine)
Purgatory is nothing in the Bible, however. If someone can prove me wrong, I'd love to know. A Christian does not need to be "cleaned" once I die. We have been cleansed by the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross and subsequent resurrection. Or do you all think that this is not good enough? Purgatory was something to blackmail people with. When people finally realize that Purgatory was never mentioned in the Bible, the Catholic Church had to renounce it. Celibacy is a different matter, and is only suggested, as you said, in order to dedicate himself more fully to Jesus. Castrating ourselves as it takes shape, however. Celibacy is an option, and even Catholic priests have chosen as a matter of course, you really do not have to go through life single. There is a difference between the teachings of the Catholic Church and the Word of God in the Bible. Please do not confuse the celibacy of Catholic priests, with what Jesus would say.